September 8, 2014 Obara Meji 246Comment

God (1)

How good and pleasant it is for bredrins to dwell together in peace, love and Unity. I thank Olodumare for this blog, and I thank Osun and Orunmila and all Orishas and also my esteemed ancestors, which without them I would not even be here. I pay homage and give my respects, also to my mentors, spiritual guides and teachers, …Iba Mr. Micthel, Iba  Mr. Pierre, and My wonderful spectacular Padrino, Iba ooo! These men were some of my greatest teachers and to them I pay my respect. Where ever they are now within the realm of time and space I know that they are proud of me, a little girl or a young lady who asked questions and who also sat quietly and listened to them as elders who lovingly guided me on my path and allowed me to choose where I would rest, and I have. I found tradition, Isese,…. Ifa/Orisha and stayed there. I thank God.

This is such an interesting topic and post which Yw has written, that I do not want to write much in my usual introduction on it. These are Yw’s personal thoughts which he has willfully shared with us and I believe that it is very deep. The thought of God by most has always been to humanize him/she/it or what. Mainly I believe it is because we all grew up hearing God referred to as Him, and of course we just fell in line. The masculine terminology of God, I believe is due to how men are perceived, as dominant, and strong, rulers and governing, so it would make sense to refer to God as Him I suppose, again we are dealing with preconditioning. However let us look past that, it has no relevance within this argument. It matters not how we perceive God, what matters, at least to me, is that we acknowledge that there IS, a God.

What has always been interesting to me however is the Christian line which says “God Is a spirit and they that worship “him” must worship him in Spirit and in truth”.   “In spirit and in truth? what the hell does that mean? A spirit is a non-physical being, something which do not have the denseness of a body. What that translate to me is that, although we never see God, because God is a spirit, we must have the faith to worship this non-physical being because it exists. Yet still religion tells us not to believe in Ghosts and duppies, I had to add this in, I tried to resist, believe me.

Ok, enough of that, before de bible beating ugly church hats wearing people dem come ova yah come declare war, and sey mi ah tek set pon dem…….., in English, Let me be finished with this argument of Christians and their folly, lest they come to this site a cussing!

I have never placed any importance of who or what is God. Somewhere deep within me I knew that there is a God, and my argument to myself was, where the hell did I come from and what about nature, it is there and in our face, where did nature come from, of whom did we all belong? Perhaps my feeling was because I grew up christian and met a very Jealous God there in the bible, but even when I ran from the church, refusing to wear de ugly hat and insisting on keeping my $50.00 red matte lipsticks from Estee Lauder and six inch heels, and diamond earrings. Perhaps, but not likely. I knew and still to this this day know that there is a God, what is God or who is God…. well that is another post.

I saw God in every human being I met, and also when the rain would fall and breeze would blow (Jamaicans finish de rrhyme chicken……). God was all around me, I felt it and I knew it. Then one day something told me that we are all fragments of God, all of us. Which to me supported the Big bang theory, but I shrugged off that thought, just wanting to hold on to what spoke to me, without any titles or scientific explanations behind it. Then I thought, then if we were all fragments of God, wouldn’t we all be good as God is good and God is great? .

It took a while for the answer to come, but when it came I was shocked, it said that God was neither good nor was God bad, Abomination!!, I thought at first, de African ting tan up trong inna mi at times, lol, dem love bawl out dat word. God had no human emotions, the voice continued, shocked, appalled and taken aback as I was. Puzzled I was at this, but the voice explained. We in human form, are spiritual beings having a human experience. Although we are fragments of the great All, which is God Our creator, the denseness of our physical beings created emotions, coupled with free will, coupled with the fact that we as spiritual beings living here in this earth realm where we will learn and experience many things which we could not if we were light beings, or even beings living in the Astral realm, these realms which are closest  to the earth realm and similar in some ways, the realms where light beings resides could not facilitate the order in which we live as earth beings, mi ah mek sense?. In order to live in this realm we had to have diverse thoughts, thinking and beliefs, resulting into actions which init self are tests for us, and ways for us to learn and also teach.

The voice told me that the earth realm operated on Chaos, without chaos there would be no earth, this is why at times nature, like heat waves, tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes and so happens as cleansing, when there is to be a certain shift within the earth sphere. These acts are cleansing and purification and more, which is too much for me to explain today. Please remind me to go into it one day.

So although we are of God, we are in no way its equal, not even near. We have no way of knowing this Power, not ever in any lifetime, although as we continue through life cycles, we become more alike this being, but in what way, that is uncertain, we must not however concern our selves with that. We must remove our minds from trying to figure our who or what is God, this is my belief. Instead, we must strive to do the best that we can do in the assistance of our fellow beings regardless of his or her character. Here Yw, has written on his personal view on God, let us add own our own thoughts.

Is love mi love write suh?, nuh me did sey mi nah write much! Anyway Yw, thank you so much in sharing your thoughts with us, You and Cami sent me off the other day thinking about Perception. which I nuh done wid dah topic deh, ah waan ride it like how Mass John ride him donkey whey name Putus guh ah grung every mawning, Please continue to share your musings with us. It has assisted me a whole lot, again Iron sharpeneth Iron. Iba Ogun Yeyyyyyy!

 

Personal View on God, by Blogger YW

NOTE: Please note that these are the personal views, experiences, and thoughts behind my present outlook on how I perceive God. In this I have conviction of belief. I apologize for any offense to anyone because that is not my intent. I invite you all to share your views, even if they are in direct contradiction with mine, because that is how I learn. So, you would be doing me a favour and I thank you for that.

 

A while back I had a crisis of the spirit where I questioned my ideas of “God”. I began to wonder about ideas that surround the humanizing of an all-powerful, omniscient force. Actually, the thought started after my wondering what it would be like to be a vampire (weird I know). Not the drinking blood and all that but the living forever part. Come with me as I walk you through my thought process: I thought of remaining at one age and watching everyone around me age and die…Yes, I would meet new people but I came to the conclusion that at some point, it would all become boring and monotonous. At that time what would I do? Well, I would have to find some stimulation…some new experience…What would I do when all the “good” experiences were had? Well, it seems logical (to me) that I would have to explore the “bad” ones. Remember, there is no end of life for me, so what would you do when the boredom sets in? After all of that (good and bad) what would I do? Hmmm, I believe that I would simply go numb or neutral.

This made me wonder about my ideas of God. Now, I realize a problem here because I am looking at God in relation to human emotions, however, haven’t we all been humanizing God for a long time? Is God a man or woman? If we are created in his/her image is he multi-complexioned or multi-coloured? Does he/she have all kinds of hair? For me, these questions ruled out the physical idea of God – meaning that I came to the belief that God is an essence or a spirit or a force…That led me to the belief that it is our soul that is in his/her/its image.

Next, I thought: Self – Does God punish the wicked and reward the good? Then how comes horrible things happen to babies who have just been born? How is good and bad judged? Is it on our prevailing rule of laws? Laws of which country or state? Laws of which time period? What is good and bad? That brought me to two different, and perhaps unrelated, thoughts: 1. The conviction that God is simply a force as is nature, and 2. to determine if something/someone is good or bad, you have to peel back all the layers to get to the core or the truth of the issues involved. Being that we all hold different principles in our lives and place value on them differently (as well as our human nature to apply past experiences to situations), then truth becomes subjective to us. From this view we may be tempted to say that there is no truth BUT we are neither omniscient nor everlasting.

Carrying the thought of God in comparison to nature, I asked myself if I thought nature was good or bad. In exploring this thought, I said nature is neither good nor bad but pondered over God controlling nature, or rather, nature acting in or by God’s will. Soon, I came to believe the following: 1. that it is highly arrogant of mankind to think that we can decipher or understand something that is all-knowing, such as God. 2. That sometimes bad things just happen and that is not an indication of any wrongdoing on anyone’s part. Of course, I believe that the reverse is also true. I am not saying that good and bad thing cannot happen by God’s will, it is just that we cannot determine when that is so (takes us to faith). 3. We must be pretty self-centered to think that we are so entertaining that God –  all-seeing, all-knowing, and all-powerful – is preoccupied with what each and every one of us are doing at each and every moment in our lives…Again these are simply my thoughts. Sorry for any offense.

Moving on a bit…I began to explore the thought of our soul being in God’s image. Hmmm….Here I thought of the past, the present, and future in relation to humanity. What do all of three have in relation to mankind? The only thing I could come up with was: thoughts, ideas, principles, and beliefs. That made me think about what makes us who we are. This brought me to the belief that we have our physical bodies which tie us to this material plane (remember: I do not believe that our bodies are what make us in the image of God) and our spiritual self which is what is from God’s image. Now I purposely used the word “from” because if we were made exactly in God’s image, then (by my reasoning) we would be Gods.

Now, to me, God includes all thoughts, ideas, principles, beliefs, experiences, etc. held by mankind from the beginning of time. God is spiritual consciousness. We could think of it as the spiritual equivalent of the internet. However, whereas the internet simply holds information and data, God or the Universal Consciousness holds spirit. This is where all our ancestors and descendants reside. This is where we are pre-birth. This is what we are a part of and aware of when we are born but relinquish contact or communication with as we embrace this material plane. I believe the spiritual plane and the material plane exist in the same space but one clouds vision or access to the other. It is like having a piece of tracing paper over something you want to copy.

Last bit as I close: We are living history at this moment. This means that our present is the past of the future and it is the future for yesterday. The implication here is that time is not linear but overlapping. This is a part of the Universal Consciousness….

 

Bí ẹ̀mí bá wà, ìrètí ńbẹ. /
As long as there is life, there is hope……Yoruba Proverb! 

[With life, there is no impossibility.]

 

All religions are valid as long as it teaches peace and love…..Obara Meji!

 

There are no disappointments in life, only lessons learned…..Obara Meji

 

 

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MTH
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Morning my fambily…

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Teach, I want to say thank you from the bottom of my heart, Through thick and thin you are here. You love us and show it (even when yu gi wi a big bulla). You write so well and so emotional, you give us a front row seats in your life and for that I am grateful.

Teach, I had a something very ‘strange’ happening to me over the weekend and I knew I had to help myself. I went to my notes and found answers, things that you have thought me. I applied and I am fine…

There are things that you tell us and we see it manifest right infront of our very eyes.
1. In your post something is brewing, it was a day or 2 later that the 2nd Malaysian plane went down and another crashed.

2. You spoke a about news coming out about processed cheese and last week I posted the info saying there was a chhese recall.

3. You said Robin Williams was ill when all the world was talking about his suicide, then after words his wife spoke about his illness…

(Theree is my favourite number so I will stop there). LOL

MTH
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Cami can you send the news article early so I can view at work first.

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Morning everyone. I had a wonderful night blogging with you. I even had a better night when I went to bed. Before going to bed, I called on my ancestors and told them they I needed to feel their presence and they ‘turnt up’. The Super Moon was awesome.

I know I am in the right place surrounded by the right people…

A thought came to me (please, I am not putting anyone onthe stand), I have read something from almost everyone who blogs here regularly and I have gotten to like those posts. From Cami and har coolie duppy to Bubblez Yemoja experience, to recently Nunu in a nutshell. (YW and TY a vet bout yah)..I like each person’s writing style and we learn…

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Good night. 2morrow again. MTH come tomorrow, me ago reference a news article.

NuNu
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Good night! Sleep well!

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Night Toy, MTH
Inna di morrows

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Hey fam,
Sorry I was out for a while. Ogun not too well, but Teacha mi glad sey di discussion will continue tomorrow

Going to go see the last of the super moon… 2 minutes tops

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Nunu I agree with you. Night night everyone until me meet again,

NuNu
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The heavy focus in church seem to be more based on laws and rules more than spiritual development

Ty
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Good night everyone thanks for the wonderful discussion…pleasant dreams…

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Good night Ty, sweet dreams

MTH
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Toy good point.

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Cami you waan so how do bulla stuck Inna mi choat. Cami list the points you want to further discuss.

MTH
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Toy mi still dey here. Nunu mi naah enka again a hope you know mi nah Len you mi rubbba again

NuNu
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Cho M man! Mi nuh like how yuh cyaan tek likkle joke ie nuh! Nuh bodda tek back di pretty pencil wha yuh get fram farrin an did len’ mi.A it mi use fi write dung mi class note dem

Cami
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Bulla! MTH nu betta yu eat cake or pizza…dry bulla dem hours yah ago mek yu want a cheese pan a wata. lol

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Toy, me don’t think the Psalms corrupted by these early journalist. It is the one thing that I find to be in pure form, may not be in it’s entirety, but true in language and power.

MTH
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Teach mi miss drink some ways wid di big bulla way you juss gi mi. A such Nunu she forward man.

NuNu
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Lawks man M, yuh cyaan tek likkle joke ‘sis’ nuh bodda bringle man, wi is fambily nuh dat every body deh seh since night mi breddrin

Toy
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Everyone went to sleep, ok see you all in the morrows. I am going to browse the site

Toy
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Am I late my phone died, and now I am back. Shakespeare was the one wrote psalm really? Yeah like Mth said the whole jealous thing with God Is What Made me question certain things in the bible. I was always wonder how is the creator the Omega jealous when he knows we are flawed.

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Well, mi Fambo. Mi ah guh sey Good Night and sleep well. See you all another night….

kiabubblez
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Good night fambo sweet dreams fi yu n di family

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Gwan go conjure up another thought yah me Bro. And I think we should continue this tomorrow.

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Teheehehee nunu mek u mean suh?! bout tek back refreshments lol wi all royalty sista nunu of dat mi sure of. Wi all family…jus yw, cami dem a badbreed lol a joke weh yazzy deh?

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Teach a Nunu did bring cake and pizza and a carry it back a hard yaad! Teach what a buff mi get.

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Teach is there anything special we can do now that we have this moon.

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Ok thanks for the article. So the pineal gland is called the “third eye” believed to be associated with higher consciousness and out of body travel, and it helps to regulate sleep etc.
I have to start drinking AC vinegar again to decalcify mine.

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Read weh Courtney write…

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lol. my Super Moon “food” de abroad so me nah even a quint pon it up inna de sky de.

MTH
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Nunu turble he? Jeez am man. Teach nuh worry a month afta next mi a get mi paawdna, mi wid buy you cake n pizza, YW you rhymes tight.

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Nunu you so why dem nuh too too badda wid you? You bring do likkle refreshment an waan carry it back! Miss mek sure you left my piece a cake.

Courtney thank you for the info.

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Cami a ongle Kia one deh get di slice a cake an whichever choice flavor soda shi want, mi seh!! Mi all call and cancel di pizza orda dem!

Ty
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Yw, the tricky part is the time in between…how do we re connect between toddler years and right before death?

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Good question Ty. I think we just cross path or find strong similarities that form that strong family, friendship bond which may lead to lifetime friendship or partnership.

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That is an interesting question, Ty. If we say that we are a part of the Universal Consciousness pre-birth, then it is in our memory. In my opinion, what we have to do is try to dip deeply into our memory to access that part of our mind…

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Nuh so sure mi agree wid what the girl she but she may have a point when she mentions that we are a part of the material plane

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Isn’t that what they say the pineal gland is for? Isn’t it associated with some kind of “awakening”

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Cami mi sistren big and serious mi juss a si u very early post set mi is a fixture here? Thanks Ma, much appreciated.

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WELL ASK PARDON MODERATOR, mi nuh mean fi cut eena yuh lesson but a wha kinda warra warra kinda fambily distinction a galang een yah!!! Teach please nuh badda seh nutten causen all of a sudden yuh and M and Cami and Yw reach eena ” royal clan” and dis a one yah and dat deh onw deh a bredda and fuss cousin and sistren and all dem tings here!!!!!! Mi feel real cross right yah nung cho!!!!! Mi nah bodda gi unoo di refreshments mi did bring fi afta di class, mi deh tek ebbryting guh back a mi yaad. Mi might gi kia pieca cake causen shi neva eena di sharing up needa cho. Get back to di lesson now mi done vent ask pardon agen

Yw
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Yuh hear: Sometime tongue and teeth will clash, suh no bodda get brash. Just straighten yu sash and mek it all wash….

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Yw nuh badda come wid no rhyme, yuh too blinking prime,between yuh an Cami di likkle schooling funds haffi deh spwn’ pon detention slip and ova time! Cho

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lolol, give me some a dah refreshment day and gwan serve yah cause yu know it it go, lol

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Teach since Cami huh like the long intro and you love type, maybe you can write a post bout Ruthibelle or on birds. Mi well waan read bout dem.

MTH
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Thanks Courtney, apart from the beauty of the super moon! What else about it! Remind me please.

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It’s the closest the moon will get to earth in orbit (science kid). Yes I was the smart kid in school. Spiritually I’m not really sure and culturally a lot of babies gonna be made tonight as well as born tonight. Lol

Yw
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I think the moon has all kinds of “power” about it. It affects the tides and so much more…

NuNu
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Sumn guh suh fi real Courtney?

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While we research the black king James….tonight is the last super moon of the summer! It’s beautiful

Ty
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It is gorgeous Courtney…

MTH
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Nunu if a laugh Inna. Cami u and YW a fambily if chute, unno mouth sweet lacka wah, a yw first set fambo and huh bafda ask if mi Neva gallop way wid it.

Ty
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Kiab, that picture always creep me out…

God has no image…

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Cami, Nunu, Courtney, Ty, New Name, Yw! Full house! Teach mi naah like mi feel small tun you si if hear sey Cami numo a fambily! Mi swear set him wudda match mi on as a cousin!

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19 bless up. Me too wudda love if you share aid wi. Mi neba like di blue eye Jesus bit. Mi use to fret if mi granny an mi made a cause den use to stick den needle Inna do Jesus alminac. Memba how Jesus nuh ramp, him jealous, him tun woman Inna pillar of salt cause shi look back and my ppl dem a run neegle all Inna Jesus face.

Ty
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Grung

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Lolol suh wait a wha kinda bextation dis. Suh wha unoo a seh when Yw come een an seh howdy fambo! A ongle Cami him a chat tuh causen she a di one nuh mo’ cousin een yah

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MTH, yu inna de Royal clan wid Obara so yu beyond family.

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Memba sey ah yuh fus mek mi sey fambo enuh. Sorrel ah yu drink: family mus know family…

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Yu kno wah mi did hate … the blond hair blue eye pic a jesus the bible clearly state hair like lambs wool n skin of bronze ray ray tay tay. So who a di blond hair man?!?!?!

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Leonardo Da vinci cousin

Cami
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a could all a him did pose fi de Mona Lisa, lol

From the written history, covering the monarch of England, King James I to VI couldn’t be black, unless him was interracial with the Caucasian gene being extremely dominant. Sorry that really is far fetch.

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Di man dem want to convince us to worship. And the picture says who that is..

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Camiiiiii loool

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Black King James?!

MTH
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Easy mi bredren YW, still on the creation story, you can imagine Adam and Eve a run dung lion and a play wid di birds den every day. Den muss wudda get bored? Secondly, it mek more sense to me that the 8 ppl would carry on the Creation story. My question, how after God spare den lives, den guh tun roun and start sin all oba again.

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Great question, MTH. Then again, who to say what a true sin really is. Saddam and Gomorrah di get bun dung yet dem behavior rampant today.

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Ask agen Mth from di 8 righteous come mi tink sin dun looool

Cami
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They took the 8 survivors and then string on the curse of Negros…

Ty
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Boom

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Good night all ES family welcome new name. With the bible u affi pick sense outa nonesense…mi waa fight king james n him band a faux writers rrrrrrrr

Ty
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Hey Kiab…same so, agreed 100%

Yw
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Kia B how mi nuh hear nutten bout yu from sting ’83. Ah joke, Wha a gwan?

Yw
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Mi glad yu enjoyed it. Enjoy di wuk but nuh mek it breed yuh.

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Looool mi deh yah Yw enjoyed ur post. Wuk tun up so mi di peep n read

Ty
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Hail up MTH…

Hey Courtney…

WE are such a lively bunch…I love that we can say our thoughts without judgement and explore thoughts different to our own

Courtney
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Hey guys

Day shifts have me popping in later than usual. Hope all is well. I feel like God is the ultimate creative genius, teacher, parent and the greatest force in existence. This was a good blog and god is many things to many different ppl.

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Hey Courtney.

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Thank you…

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Hey yw good blog my friend

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Night night mi dey yah mi people. Mi a guh read an ketch up.

Yw
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Pants and shirt, pardy. Mi glad she yuh de ere yu si.

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Seriously tho, this thing is so confusing, and I think to myself ‘If it were all true, then why are there so many questions?’ It just doesn’t add up.

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Spot on new name…so many questions n not many answers that make sense.

Yw
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Same thing me sey, New Name. For me personally, I had to put the bible aside and think of God simply as a force…

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The Buddhists look at God like a super consciousness, right? Are they the ones that practice yoga and meditation to quiet the mind and tap into that consciousness?

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Hope you feel better soon Nunu

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Howdy do New Name thank you. Mi did want fi call yuh “mumz” but mi nuh certain if yuh is a lady ir not

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Lolol she fit een already!

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Me is a lady Nunu…
Ahrm but a skettel when mi inside di howse. (covah mi face from Teacha bad look)

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Good night folks! Sorry I’m late, feeling a bit under the weather

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Feel better Nuns

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That is exactly what I think NuNu

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Thank you Ty and Yw mi deh a pree even if mi nuh jump een much, I like the universal consciousness aspect and that is what our higher consciousness taps into when we meditate I guess.

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Nunu, you are so dedicated , i hope you feel better…

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Okay, here goes.
Askarding to the person that I asked the question, he explained that God knew they were going to mess up in one way or another, he just didn’t want them to go the route of eating the forbidden fruit, as that was the worst kind. Hence, that harsh punishment (or sumn like dat, nuh memba exactly). Buttttt, my question is… Like MTH said earlier, why didn’t God just go along with the survivors of Noah’s ark, seeing that he had rid the land of the unjust then?

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I do believe that choice is what sets us apart in the animal kingdom as humans. In my opinion, when people think of the devil in relation to God it confuses me. If everything happens by God’s will, then bad things happen by God’s will. Therefore, if good and bad happen by the will of God there is no point in creating, inventing, or keeping the idea of a devil.

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Ty (evening Sis), that fear also help to cultivate and preserve many ignorant minds.

Ty
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It bothers me Cami that they use fear to get people to God…love would have been a better tactic…I wish they put the same amount of energy into love and show us loving actions…I prolly would still go to church, eventhough dem call me bastard…

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Nice phrasing and it fits in with Obara’s statement regarding the need for chaos as an equalizer.

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The fear of the devil is what keep the church’s coffers full…not I…not a dollar to dem thieving pastor…dem fi go pay tax like me…you know how me woulda rich if dem never draw out tax of a mi likkle pittance…

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Bwoy New Name, I don’t think I am too qualified to answer dat. I do not believe in the Bible as an accurate historic piece.

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Good night everyone…

New name welcome…we so glad to have you…it feels like we know u long time…

mek a drop my humble thought…God is Energy…neither good nor bad…there will always be good and bad…so it was in the beginning and so shall it always be…if there was not bad, how would u know good? The bible serves as a collection of stories to give different situations and different outcomes…there are endless posibilities to many of life questions and so that is why we keep coming to the earth plane to learn, explore, and improve…

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You so smart (hugs and high five).

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Thank you Ty… I am no stranger to ES, so yes, yuh know mi langgggg time lol

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Big up Obara Meji, MTH, AMH, Cami, Toy. New Name – thanks to have you here and thank you for posting. I gwen go ketch up pon di comments…

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Mi deh yere

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Hi everyone going to finish up reading

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Teach mi just a tsey, yu have ppl still a explain away the inconsistences in the bible, like a God himself siddung a write an account of everything…

Leaving work now, trying my best to join the discussion later.

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Dat’s what a said. The blind mus be led, the hungry mus be fed – Bounty… I believe that is humans write the bible and as such it is not of divine origin. Add to that that it has been mistranslated and edited over time and what we have is not even close to what was originally written.

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Ok m

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Hi Toy!

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Anyone else sees a contridiction? Psalm 51:

5. Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.

However, didn’t God create man in his own image on the sixth day? After he created man he said very good. How by Psalm we are ‘brought forth in inquity?’ Remember the New Testament nuh kick in yet enno.

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I never got the born in sin thing and long resigned myself to never know the inner workings of that there thinking.

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Rahtid, yuh bastard like Jesus

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Me too never got that…maybe because I am a bastard according to Christians…cause daddy never marry my teenage mother….but children are a blessing…

After pastor call me bastard, dem well teach me di song, ” suffer the little children to come unto me, for I will receive them and hold them in my bossom.”

I can imagine if a was a boy how di catholic priest woulda change up da tune deh…

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wey everybody dey?

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New Name, mi juss a si yu comment. hehehehhehe

Next side a di creation story is what a way Eve she well bright? God sey doan do XYZ and she wid har fre-fre self tek chat fram smaddy who is not har husband…Shi neva si all that God had done…All long, I just wanted to know, why God never kill the serpent? He killed Uzzah for trying to ‘help’ with the Ark of The Covenant…

Question: “Why did God strike Uzzah dead for touching the Ark of the Covenant?”

Answer: The story of Uzzah and the Ark of the Covenant is found in 2 Samuel 6:1-7 and 1 Chronicles 13:9-12. As the ark was being transported, the oxen pulling the cart stumbled, and a Levite named Uzzah took hold of the ark. God’s anger burned against Uzzah and He struck him down and he died. Uzzah’s punishment does appear to be extreme for what we might consider to be a good deed.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Uzzah.html#ixzz3Cl316D7h

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Unno bare wid mi..This is another thought (MY, MTH OPINION) unno nuh badda vex wid mi…

The creation story shows everyday God made something and after each creation says, this is good. After he made man he said this is very good (unno follow mi)…

In Genesis 1:26 it says, ‘Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” Who is the ‘US’ that is good talking about…MY OPINION, if God made us in HIM image it would include the inner as well as the outer. Therefore when man ‘sinned’ and ate the fruit,he was still operating in God’s image. That means God would have known that Man would have eaten the fruit. So the first set of people sin and even to date, we are paying for their sins.

Unno stay wid mi…In Isiah 61:7 ‘Instead of your shame you will receive a double portion, and instead of disgrace you will rejoice in your inheritance. And so you will inherit a double portion in your land, and everlasting joy will be yours’. How come Adam and Eve are not benefactors of having their shame and disgrace wiped away and they get a double portion of inheritance…

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New Name a YW?

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I will certainly try to be teacha.
By then I should be a little more free.
Brb peeps. Waiting on the little one to get home from school and then run to the store and then start dinner.

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Teach, I am trying my best to be here for the discussion. My ‘smart’ phone isnt smart anymore, it crashed and died over the wekend. I am trying though.

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They never are M!

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Very good question MTH, I thought the same thing and I am certainly gonna ask it later.

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It might seem as if I am fixated on the creation story, however it seem to me that things went amiss from in beginning. I have two daughters and at time when I got chemicals (bleach etc) in bottles in the home I would put them away. Even though, I would tell the children that if they touch the bottle they would die. If my children had consumed the chemical and die, I would be held accountable as it would be said I could not just tell them they are going to die and believe that would be sufficient for them to stay away.

Matthew7:11 says ‘So if you, even though you are bad, know how to give your children gifts that are good, how much more will your Father in heaven keep giving good things to those who keep asking him’! So it is understood that we are bad people, yet as bad people, if anything happens to our children, we are tried and punish for allowing bad things to happen to our children. How then did God, who is wise and good allowed the children to eat from the tree…Secondly, if we are made in God’s image how then are we bad people?

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Backside an Boot @MTH
Yuh know sey is something along dat line mi duss ask di jenkleman. Mi sey to him sey ok, Ogun si mi jink champagne an me tell him don’t drink it. I know he might just get curious and wonder to himself ‘So if she is drinking it, then it must be something good, so lemme try some’… I then said to him, the onus would be on ME to put it unda ‘lock and key’ and make sure he doesn’t get it, nuh soh?

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In Psalm 91:11 says, ‘For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways’. How come no angel had charge over Adam and Eve to keep them in all their ways. Unless, the angels told them no and that was left out of the story. Which would make the story a bias story…As Teach said, King James declared his hand sey a fi him version.

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Alright, this might stepon people’s corn but I am only asking a question, making a point…I also get the point that no man knows the mind of God.

After men lived for a period of time in their sin and all things immoral. When God rose up Noah and the Ark, there were only (8) righteous people then…Why didnt God let those people continue the creation story or how things should have been. Why then did ‘sufferation’ continue (i.e. pain in childbirth) the hell and heaven concept…

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New Name Bless up…It feels good toknow that someone else thinks like I do…

Nunu the explanation put forth is kinda ‘silly’ to me. In the sense that God wanted to keep out falling angels and his most prized position (God’s babies) were left with the powerful tree and were told not to eat or else..

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Explanation given was that God warned them against eating of the forbidden fruit and the Angels that were there, were not assigned to hinder Adam and Eve from the garden, they were assigned to keep the ‘fallen angels’ out. Therefore Adam and Eve had free reign to enter and exit the garden, to enjoy all things therein

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I was taught that no one was on guard as not to hinder their free will.

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That’s what I was told. There was no one guarding the ‘tree’ itself, but they were guarding the entrance to the garden; therefore keeping the fallen angels out

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Howdy doo errybaddy,
Do nuh fling nuh rockstone mekki chap mi. Been reading for a while an its funny that MTH asked that question in her 12:47 comment. I asked that same question at church cause I couldn’t understand why there wasn’t an angel guarding the tree

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On a next point that YW made about punishing the bad and rewarding the good (Teach please jumpin and answer in YW’s absence)…Why would a loving God punish the sins of my forefathers by letting generations after them pay the price? Also what has not sit well withme, is God turning ove Job to the devil saying consider my son Job, duh anytingyu waan wid him except kill him…Also, how come the only thing the devil cant do is blow breathe, but he can take llife?

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Hey AMH. The thing that gets me is that God is a jealous God. Big, big, big God would be jealous of what??? Oh please!!!

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I look at GOD as I would look at Electricity (raw/live current), Fire, Water and Wind. There’s no GOOD electricity, fire, water or wind, nor is there any BAD electricity, fire, water and wind. These are ALL ENERGY void of emotions and so is the creator.

Again, see onu at 8PM

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And as we know that energy cannot be created or destroyed but merely changed from one form to another, then, God is everything

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seriously?! of what when and how????
So many things we were asked just to believe while at the same time using that blind belief to prove things to others

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~We must be pretty self-centered to think that we are so entertaining that God – all-seeing, all-knowing, and all-powerful – is preoccupied with what each and every one of us are doing at each and every moment in our lives…~
When I was little sitting in church on sunday mornings I thought this ALL the time. I asked my mom one time she said I shouldn’t ask such things, I asked my dad and he said he had always felt that way too and that he only went to church to make my mom happy but that he held his own beliefs that he would share with me when I was older.

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Amh, it look like my mother read from the same answer book..I got that same response verbatum…only thing she gave me an icy mint ( a mint candy) to shut me up

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