This Thursday October 16th 2014 in our book club discussion I Obara Meji have provided the material which you will find the link below, with an Introduction to the subject as well. I will be the one to moderate on the topic. We thank Kiabublez for her contribution to book club night she did a job well done on a very controversial topic. Good job Kia. It is unfortunate that I did not see my regulars to show support, but it is what it is, nuff love same way. Book Club begins @ 8pm, please make an effort to be here, knowledge is power, let us learn together.
I stumbled onto this video today, the brother Sa neter, is someone I know because I use to buy a lot of videos from him down in harlem. He is a very conscious brother, and I loved our many conversations. When you speak with people like his you learn, on that I can assure you. Now this topic is not about white and black to me Obara Meji. It is about logic and what is right. I was born into this religion christianity, which in my opinion, is the worse thing ever to happen to Black people, again My opinion!
I was one of them christians who loved Christ, I still do!..Are you shocked?, I said I still does, do, I likes de bredda!
Let me explain why; I have no idea if this brother existed or not although history says Yes he did. We do not have to believe what history says, because it is just that…His..Story…tainted and revised while being told or written through generations, so I being of sound mind and body cannot trust that entirely. However, the reason I like Jesus Christ, (I do not worship him, or pray in his name, or have him as my lord and saviour, no, not any more) is if what he portrays, benevolence!
Cinderella did not exist, but yet I felt empathy for her and the treatment she received at the hands of her cruel stepsisters and de ugly step madda. Jesus’s character as told in the bible was of a being that was kind natured and loving with a hint of temper (member when him beat de gamblers out of the temple). Now let me be clear, I question the very existence of Jesus, having now become “awake” and realizing that religion is really controll. Just something to believe in and many people just want to BELIEVE. Its just that simple. My attraction to the character is his benevolence, made up or not.
What is sad to me however as an African is that all other races worship and reveres deities that look like them, deities which they identify with culturally and traditionally, except the African. While there are some, how many are rushing to Africa to worship our Gods?
The Cubans worship Lucumi, which came in through the trans atlantic slave trade with them to cuba, when the Yorubas arrived as captured slave on the Island. Among them were Iyanifa’s, olorisha’s and Babalawo’s and other initiates of Ifa/Orisha. They preserved the worship as a collective, and hid the Orishas under the guise of catholic saints, yet slavery has been abolished for years, but the Cubans now call the Yoruba practice Lucimi, and have lightened the skin of the Orishas, changed the names to suit their language, Yemoja is called Yemaya and our Orunmila has become Orula. They even trash talk Africa and Africa from whence their religion came from and discourage people from going to Africa, where Orunmila built his house in Ile Ife Nigeria. So even though for years they had been great custodian of the tradition, they have bastardized it to fit them, while trying to put the African down or as worthless regarding his own legacy. O ma se ooo..My elders in Nigeria including my very powerful husband, told me “leave them, don’t mind them” God sees all things.
Please watch the video (s), I may add more and come mek we reason. Please be here on this very important topic and add you piece. and while you are at it, please pick or choose which one of these men have the most impact on your life;
Marcus Garvey….Jesus Christ…..Malcom X
1-Do you believe in religion? If yes, why and what purpose does it serve and what has religion done for you?
2-Should race (skin color) matter whether in tradition or religion, in who we worship or venerate as deity?
3- Seeing that there is no image of God in any religion or tradition, how do you vision the God you serve?
4- Why is it that some black people easily subscribe to the idea of worshipping or believing in another race as their God, while rejecting their own?
5- Why do you believe that the black man hate himself and his brother
6- Why do the black man look to other races as superior to him, this shows in him kneeling before a white image of his deity? Does that image of a white Jesus play into his Psyche as a subliminal message, and if so do you believe that christianity is and has been used to keep black people enslaved? (If this question sound repetitive, please inform me)
7 – Was all this planned?
Watch this video, I may add more
The Psychological Effects Of White Jesus Continue To Haunt Us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTM-nSdkSPU
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Good night Obara . And good night to all my peeps
Night Night Obara. And remember: You are Phenomenal.
Obara and NuNu…blessings.
Goodnight Cami, Obara, Yw, ES fam!
Yw memba yuh promise fi teach mi Kung fu
Might Nuni
Good job Cami
Hiya hiya hoo diss ya one yah new fi all di massive and dancehall crew…
Hiyah hi yah hooooo, seet deh fi choooooo!
To me, pastors and those in power should be held to a greater standard than everyday people. I heard about a case where a pastor had three baby mother among parishioners at his church. Shameful…. ah him name creator to rahtid…
There’s one we had a link on that was whoring down the place, knowing he has that death ninja.
Okay, This session is now over. I thank ALL who participated. Again, it was a pleasure to have Toy for a while. Wish our spiritual sister Ty recovery and energy. Big up Cass, please to return…AND BLESS UP we Spiritual BROTHER YW who is so genuine that it transcends through his writings and infectious humor. Love yah. Blessings on you, Ty and the boys alway…Ase.
Night, night to all. Thank you Cami (mi sister – whispered in hush tone), OBARA MEJI (Twin), of course, thanks for all that you do, Nunu thanks for all the detentions, Cas thanks for stopping in and please come again, Toy – no ice-cream sound (just ice-cream duppy fi Nuns), Kia B see you soon. To everyone I may have missed sorry, thank you and pleasant dreams. Hasta manana
“no ice-cream sound (just ice-cream duppy fi Nuns)”
Yu couldn’t help yu self?! Grung fi dat!
Yes KiaB…sleep well. Sleep well Yw.
Yazzy big up
Yw, i notice the use of weapons and weaponized in your answer. And I do agree because we have seen Jesus image used as a weapon of indoctrination and intimidation of people throughout the world, and over centuries.
It has been weaponized to assist in world domination of free thinking/will in the form of the Christian religion with the being termed as the lord and savior of mankind.
I agree
Cas nice man
Yes ma’am. And they used it to “save” the Native Americans and many African tribes. They use the white image to make it easier to subjugate those of other ethnicities, saying: that image (the white image) is your savior….
That is one of the abominable parts of slavery – the theft and desecration of a people’s tradition and culture..
…some say its the creator! lol
Unfortunately that concept isn’t limited to just religion, “your savior”
Àṣẹ thank you Cami and everyone Yw welcome home!
NuNu is it firemen you referring to with “your savior” that they call heros, lol. That is another abuse postition…cause to rescue a kitten don’t mek one a hero.
Answered for me..
So…have we addressed questions that concerned us about this image that has either satisfied some people spiritual hunger, haunted some-like myself, or has it created more distress?
How about all of the above.
lol, NuNu we will have to revisit this as the thoughts come to you then.
Who want to hear a conspiracy idea – The conspiracy behind the ES blog: Can’t get enough done during the day because you are busy checking the ES blog…It is a conspiracy, the likes of which go all the way to the top and……………if you don’t see me again I have enclosed the documents in an envelope that will be sent to the major news centers of the world. This is too big to let go people….
tell of the conspiracy to bring back hibernating members, especially one of the most sincere one , lol
Cami, did you hear….some of the members get to the point where they take in a great deal of good info and then change into…..yes, I mean physically change into a bear so that they can hibernate and let the info marinate unto a deeper level….It has caused disappearances and occasional brain farts…very curious, indeed…
Yw, as long a yu nu go turn bear fi long we good, lol.
It’s also good to see Cass whom I never met before and would love to see again.
Toy, sleep well it was a pleasure to have you even for a while-tonight.
Lolol Yw gwaan a yuh bed this instant!lolol
Obara sen’ smaddy guh a di yaad fi collec’ those documents fore it reach news!
Lok
Nunu in in it
Cami why yuh mention ‘cocktails’!!! A wud yuh deh chrow? Yuh know what 1 week fi yuh straight!!! Yuh should be ashamed of yourself, nobody not never did get more detention than YW yet! What an example Cami! Cas pay attention this sort of behavior is unacceptable!
Grung
Grunggggggg, ah choooo
“Whistle while you work” lolol. Yu gwan last time you had to straighten your monitor sash cause Yw had you a pitch a grung! dwln
NuNu me a pay attention 🙂
Mi.hope Ty feel better in the morrows, body come dung can mash yuh up ie nuh star!
Ah shakespeare write psalms
Hey, mi did like Merchant of Venice: “bleared visages” and Shylock’s “pound of flesh”. Bwoy Shakespear coulda writing yuh si.
Shyter shylock got out smarted by a female.
Exactly right: Shitter Shylock
Chooo, lolol.
By time yuh walk outta door the heapa vaseline mek di boot slidey lol, yuh knowhow much time mi slip and drop! Lolol
Nunu, mi never get detenshan yet, lolo, mi ah good gal, lmaooooo! is Cami bruk mi out!
Yw, back so take the detention as a cocktail…cheers.
Yes…I will drink to that…Cheers
Nunu all one whole backle ah vaseline mi use pon my paint-en shoes
mi ah one who use to bawl out DE BLOOD till mi hoarse, all tink sey Jesus ah mi man!
You a kill me Obara
Cas yuh cyaan follow Obara ie nuh! Don’t laugh mi an yuh a frien’ from long time an yuh record still clean mi nuh want yuh in league wid Cam,Yw and Teach, cause mi nuh wan’ haffi gi yuh detention tuh
yes Nunu and de paint hen shoes!
Di stockings, socks and open toe paintent boot shine off wid vaseline! lolol
Had to laugh
tek lickle pickney tun inna eediat!
I am leaning as I go along
Nunu, de hat dem pretty?, all de white stocking dem use to force mi fi wear, an mi hafi gi mi banana chips and sky juice mone fi church collection, cho!
Yuh eva did haffi wear the stocking and frill socks sed time? Lol, mi memba dat style deh
Ok,I that did not know
Cas, think about how old the bible is (centuries) and that it was not written by 1 or 2 or 3 people. Then, think about it being edited numerous times. Then, think about the scriptures that were completely removed…What we have is not what the bible should be. Like me some Psalms, though..
Psalms is so out of place in the bible. I’m a Psalms fan.
ah bay lie de bible tell, bout come fi teach love, dem lie!
Cas yuh did guh meet Jesus ah airport?
According to doctrine…… seet deh it fix
Obara yuh more than fascinated wid dem church hat ie nuh!
Jesus came on this earth to teach us how to love one another but instead of that people consider him as he fake prophetic .The lesson was to teach us to love each other.I think that’s why he died, because there was a lot of people that love them and they did not like that.
Yet the sames sins remains, and has multiplied.
Big time cruelty, who more cruel dan christians, look pon de hat dem mek de worshippers dem wear, dat ah big time cruelty!
Lol no Obara
Cami and Teach di 3pm slot is yours!
Dat time slot full cause a two Yw collect one time…lol
Try hol a slot fi yu self cause you a ask some serious questions! lol
de crosses cross, and yuh right which baby ah murderer?
Obara…..is why likkle baby pinch so blasted hawt?
and cratch so bad?
Oh what a crosses de pon mi, everywhe mi go macka juk juk mi…
Always wonder: if dem love Jesus suh, why the image of him on the crucifix? Sacrifice fi wi sin? But mi never sin before mi born….
See why me MISSED YU! I cannot for the life of me understand that macabre icon. Yet…again you have (me darling century ole granny is one) we holy rollers talking about graven images.
To me it is a symbol of cruelty. Why would I embrace that?
Yw detention promptly at 2:00 pm tomorrow, wid yuh no sinning self!
Yuh know… mi nuh feel right less yuh go mi at least 2 detention in 1 night….So, one more to go…heehee
GRUNG! NuNu yu get up yet and find yu pen fi write the slips up? lol
lmaooooooo, ah one ah mi favorite video Cami,
I never saw it in all the years.
Yw, that video dedicated to you fi watch and laugh.
Babylon an me huh too gree neither, so me caan talk? But dread, the salt ting?
lol, dread sey him ago work round de salt ting! lol
I going to watch smile orange later or harder they come later just to see Carl in the days.
Notice when dread catch 2 lick out a de baton him pronounce the produce name correctly, lol
an dem love holla out sey dem ah American
wid har grannie looking self,!
Alot of regrets now, I’m sure. That lady done gi whe di rest of the country
ah bay fi dem Nunu, whey dem ah guh deh fah!
*singing* man yuh shud ah si de bobo dread locks wid de broom!
On that note…I just saw the Lt. Stichie video (Yw may have known all along) and I just notice why the police beat the dread…dread was ignorant and couldn’t pronounce his produce by their proper name.,,dwrclnnn
https://youtu.be/tM1-DOjxkKE?list=PLo32Pkqd_StBVAWm-nl96ta1NSQ_s1WNU
I never was a fan of Liberia, ah doe know why!
Cause it was the sticks from the get go…nothing but a mosquito infested forest. Not even the Euros stuck around long enough to play head boss in charge.
**I feel for their plight at this hour. That lady president need to go and join Portia and Lisa in Miami.
I heard that most of the citizens of Liberia are descendants of africans that returned from the ‘new world’
Yes, NuNu. Not a new world just a “new Rome”.
Sorry for what NUnu, read what mi write, I have read the same thing before!
I’ll have to read Dr. Ben’s book. I know that they treat the African immigrants in Israel like crap. I saw a video about it and couldn’t even finish it
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Yes Cami, Dr. Ben Jochana worte in the book we the Black Jews!
Wow, him on the ras dem hit list like me self yah!
…and NuNu to as of tonight, teeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeheeee
I agree with the strength part Yw and Cami, when you talk about a people that know struggle inside and out, that’s us we’re survivors. Our minds however for the most part have been whittled down
Lol! If mi neva shame bout mi previous behavior mi woulda give out couple slip tonight Cami, Kia and of course no surprise Yw, unoo comments up top, lol
Yu didn’t see that you were forewarned by Yw to walk with you pad? lol.
Yes I’ve heard of the black Israelites, I didn’t know that Marcus Garvey considered himself one. Were they the Nubians?
God is neither white or a man
He is light
Me, Macbeth , a mid summers night dream and Orthello
Nah. Nubia predate that.
One of the man in the video said Marcus Garvey was misled by the Israelite to make black people go back to Africa .I really don’t know much about Malcolm X are Marcus Garvey so that was very interested for me watching the video and learning at the same time so that was interested and see people different point of view and religion .
I’m not a Garvey fan (clear the air I must) and from the state of Liberia today date…I’m glad none of my relatives didn’t go there.
Where it offensive Cami, mad of the straight jacket kind, but not offensive, lmaoooo
lolol
Whende white God ah bless, him nah bless Obara!
Will the white God save me from white man oppression!
Well according to the “white god” mouth pieces and henchmen the answer is NO. They say that they are superior and that god say anyone not white should be slaves or look upon as lesser beings.
Since “they” had lots of work to do they decided slavery on plantations was best and having us dig up our mineral and precious gems and metals for their benefits. On top of that they say their god say to feed us little to nothing and never the good stuff…lol
I have no white God, do not teach me anything wrong!!!
I think they’re just going by what The world put in more people head.it like they brainwash us to think that God is a white man
And I always thought that Morgan Freeman played such a great role in that part….
Cas see Yw counter that image, lol Imagine Jesus looking like Morgon Freeman, lol
me wi larn oonuh, courtesy of Dr, Ben Jochannan and others, lmaoooo!
I do Nunu, so much that I resent that my patriarchal grand mother was spawned from a sephardic jew, mi shame ah it, ah swear!..I want to be pure black, being black is so sweet to me!
Cas de Selassie ting would be a good Book club discussion, did you know he killed his cousin to get de hrone, ah bet dis draw out Lalibela! hehehe!
That would be a good one. I heard he was buried under the toilet, is that true? Lalibela go haffi larn wi bout Selassie
Me love yu NuNu, but me would never mek that vocal declaration mek a ros hear…Unda toilet! daughta? A de fuss me hear dah one! lol
Like the wind to rass…lol
Yes, she was poisoned and he was way round the back of the line to get on the throne. Plus he did not go to Jamaica to see rasta he went on behalf of Eunice (sp?) his Jamaican, female Secretary who spoke highly of her Island nation. She assisted him greatly with England, I believe she was first female on BBC (me ago fact check cause me knowledge is from age 15/16) as well.
https://blackwomenworldhistory.tumblr.com/post/32145881612/una-maud-victoria-marson-1905-1965-una-marson
Una Marson’s Bio.
Lol thanks for the knowledge Cami lol mi swear mi hear dat,mi haffi guh read up
sorry Lalibela!
Yes it would be a good book Club discussion because I would love to know more.No I did not know that wow!
Like Yw and as I wrote up top, I do not believe in Jesus,but I did like the story, it was of peace and of benevolence, dat nuh mean mi fi worship him!
That is exactly it, Obara. I like the story but would not consider worshipping an image. Especially considering the fact that I have no image in mind when I think of “God”…
Bear in mind that worshipping and invoking are two different things to me…
Ok thank you Obara
Selassie was a normal man,not God CAS
I CARE ABOUT THE iMAGE, IT HELPS KEEP A RACE OF PEOPLE DOWN AND DOWN TRODDEN, IMAGERY PROJECTS REALITY! THEY KNOW THIS AND THIS IS WHAT THEY DID, IT IS NOT RIGHT, I DO MY ANCESTORS NO JUSTICE IF I EVEN ADMIRE THE IMAGE, SET AH FUCKERY, PLUS JESUS DID NOT EXIST!
I get what you’re saying Obara, the image is seared into our brains, we have been bombarded with the eurocentric imagery in everything down to the spirits, and after a while it’s just accepted as I told you before I’ve never met a black person that could see 100% beauty in the black image
No Nunu. You gwen mek mi cry now. Beauty…beautiful black woman of all tones and complexions…what could be more beautiful? I love all woman (sorry but is the choot) but melanin adds so much. The variances too numerous to count, just like spices in a dish…Now when you say STRENGTH, you talking about facing challenges that no other have faced. In the US it is white male, white female, black male, then finally, black female. To overcome that and still be about is beauty in and of itself….
lolol….okay. Next! lol
I was offended when I watched the video, mi did shame ah mi black people, Sa Neter, de one in de black shirt, said it best, it has been five hundred years of conditioning!
Condition “them” beyond recognition! GRUNG!!!!!!
as a little girl growing up in Jamaica .my family did not believe in religion ,I never been to a church when I was in Jamaica before but at the same time. I know there was a God they talk about selassie. My family was rosta so I guess selassie and God is the same thing right
My, My, My. Cass no they aren’t the same. For rostah sake…we will just pust selasie and jesus in the same camp or person.
Yw,
Cami, no, no, no… You will not inveigle me into your shenanigans. I refuse….
🙂 🙂 Me did think Cas was going to do a come back. so, me call you out fi tek over if it get too heavy fi me after that blow, lol
and he did not exist
That’s going to be a hard sell, oh by the way he didn’t exist! One of the first things you learn is who your parents are and then Jesus lol
“Jesus loves me this I know, cause the bible tells me so. Little ones to him belong. They are weak but he is strong. Yes Jesus loves me , yes Jesus love me”…..lol a de bible tell you so , lolol
Which one of the bible den?
It can’t be the one that exclude me a child born out of wedlock, nor the same one that was use to intimidate and oppress my Afro and East Indian ancestors…no where in that “good book” are any resembling me. Then it goes so far as to say my dark complexion is by SIN!
Yuh ah bastard like Jesus? Maybe it was immaculate conception too… Hmmmm, curious, curious…
is whey everybody!
lolol, yu doze off? lol we right here.
When watching the video i start cringe after so many people pick jesus. I question the pitni on marcus garvey n surprisingly he knew nuff. Even told me some things lol
Did you see how many people were offended when the guy asked, what would you say if I told you he didn’t exist?
lol, the “former” stereotype (me rude bad) nearly went down for a felony! lol
Lol is the iPad did not know it was changing
grung, yw, she get oodments, lmaooooooo
Put barry white picture in a church and see if white people Asian who lub galang like dem white han even Spanish people whey hate black people even more dan white people, see if dem kneel dung an worship dis very black fat, thick lip jheri curl hair man!
Not even barry white smooth voice coulda make them kneel smh
untruth Kia I hear “he puts you in the mood” so nuff kneeling gwan just not to Jesus, dwlnnnnnnn
Mi tell yuh sey mi guh school wid bout 3 Jesus (J like H)…
Cas, how de hell yuh can change emoticon suh, how yuh dweet, no doan tell, doan let out de puss
grung, Yw has returned, lmaoooooo!
I asked said quiet wise son, which one of thoes men he would choose, de boy picked Jesus, (shame and horrified), mi screeches why???!!!!…Him answer truthfully and sey Mommy that is what YOU taught us, an ah true, mi help F*&*k mi pickney dem head fi choot.
Mi bawl offa him an tell him sey fi guh unindoctrinate himself, mi was asleep, him laugh and sey np ma, anything yuh sey!
lolol but you telling him the truth about removing that indoctrination.
But would it be bad if it is the story he liked and not the image or person?
That’s it for me, I don’t care about the image, I like what he stood for
The image for me goes with the “man” or holy savior for some. NuNu, look at the ones who take Jesus for God?
I felt for the girl who claim to come from a highly religious home and she look at the image and call it the creator. “I come from a Christian family any ways”…roll me eye cause that’s use a badge, lol
It shouldnt matter the race but it does. How can i honestly embrace my oppresor. Maybe if i had the snydrome that makes yu love ur abuser…idk rostah yes toy every old time church had the white face, blond hair, blue eye jesus but the bible said golden bronze skin n hair like lambs wool. So who the man in the picture?! Ty shared that it was caesar borgia lol i cyaa maniji dem ppl
It look like Ty right…spitting image just with a little less weight and longer hair.
Yuh wah plait ‘I’m hair, don’t it?
Cami i laff when me seet. Same facial structure n features. Dem seh tek people fi fool
Me wanted fi brush it, lolol
Warning Offensive: That heart that they put in the pictures. As a likkle girl that use to love use stick and poke the fowl in them batty caused me to think the heart look like a fowl batty…seriously.
Mi ah dead aid laugh….chicken batty… Mi fada use to ask mi if mi nam fowl batty mek mi chat so much…
It’s all a mind trip, and I wonder what it’s going to take to get out of it. Yw always mention introspection, and we need that more than ever.
I wonder too who is that man in the picture that they’re showing that’s God
I did belive in religion. I feel because i was raised in church. The whole family goes to church together. I felt diferent about certain lessons tje parson teach n why he never answer questions about jesus. The story of jesus is sweet n loving but i wanted to know what happen between his teens n age 33. I never understood how is only christians going to heaven. What about the muslims n jehovah witness that live good without sin, they cant go heaven? too many questions n no answer i felt religion wasny doing anything. Parson preach prosperity n… Read more »
The worst thing that I was taught was to give in expectation of getting blessed. If you going to give do so because you want to not to receive – it corrupts the act.
absolutely. The act must be without the hope for a reward. I think the purest act is for instance…a man standing behind a park car and its rolling back. You see it and run to push them out the way…no hope for a reward because you had no time to consider giving in expectation…
I remember I was taught that all angelic beings are male and blonde with blue eyes; that is the epitome of purity and perfection. So when you think along these line what does that mean for people who don’t look like that? As a people we buy it hook, line and sinker
Yu zeet bredda blessing tied to offering…that no right. Poor people cant get blessing? what about the lady that only washed jesus feet. She was blessed abundantly for only her kind works.
Mary Magdelene get more dan bless…
Yw lmao lmao @more than blessed
Kia, did you also wondered how come its one god or one jesus and all these different churches and views?
is de quiet, but when him speak Cami, wisdom, I was shocked at his views!
“Silent rivers run deep”.
4- Why is it that some black people easily subscribe to the idea of worshipping or believing in another race as their God, while rejecting their own? The reason is because they don’t want to pick up a book and read. I feel that if they do they would have questions of this so called Jesus. Why is that Jesus always has sun behind his head in all of his pictures. I mean I think that black should out who is Horus and Ahmen. No, don’t I believe in Jesus but that is just me.
Good view point Toy. Our people like the unfortunate European peasant population, ruled under religious intimidation parrots what is orally passed down to them about Christianity.
hey Cas
Hello Obara
https://www.raceandhistory.com/Historians/marcus_garvey.htm
Hey Yw long time no see bredda. Yes aunty Obara lol trying think…just drink 2 hurricanes so di mind a run slow. Tek time with me
Big up Kia B!!!
1-Do you believe in religion? no, religion is only to divide and control, so far it has done no good. My small son mad a good point however, he said that although he does not believe in religion, he can see its value, because there are those who only can survive if they have something to believe in, heaven, or fear such as hell and damnation…out of the mouth of babes 2-Should race (skin color) matter whether in tradition or religion, in who we worship or venerate as deity? No, you go where your heart leads you, however in Christianity… Read more »
Obara, excellent answers too.
Your son has a valid point on question one…it is Social control theory in short along social contract with Locke and Hobbs.
I think religion has value as a starting point but becomes pointless if you are going to stagnate within its confines.
Regarding #2: I never see Jesus looking Chinese yet? lolol Nor East Indian but the complexion of a Black one can do fi the East Indians (Pure and not Euro mix ups). But back to the Chinese Jesus, lol
It would have been nice if they taught about Marcus Garvey in schools, in the video alot of the people especially younger people didn’t know who Marcus was that’s ashame.
NuNu ,Yes that would be nice if they would teach about Marcus Garvey because in the video if the man did not say that was Marcus Garvey.I would not know ,I heard about him though but not too much.
Hey Cas, when I was in school they taught Eurpean history more than black history. To tell you the truth as far as I can remember black history was limited to slavery
Hail up Cas!!
Ok I give some input to question number 6. It has been embedded in us as black people that Jesus is white, because if you go to black churches you see pictures of Jesus and he is white, so yes subconsciously that Jesus is white. Yes, I do believe that Christianity is keeping black people enslaved, because as soon as you tend to stray from the beliefs of the bible you are consider a devil worshipper and you are evil.
Night, Toy (not to be played with-Rahhh)…That is one of the problems I have with that religion ting – My own right and every odda one wrong… Who holds the power in that system? MAN dem at the top, not the consciousness all around us. How dat (all round wi) fi devil?
White as in European (although it wasn’t in existence as such a place then) or “white” in complexion? I think the white comes into play because of those Vatican commissioned paintings.
Ever notice how Vatican rhyme aid batty ma…..sorry, sorry..
Have I ever?! most certainly! That was and still his a haven full of powerful bats.
It also created a gender division. I can tell you I don’t like any body interfering with me and my earrings (ears pierce before me was one and chain and bangle down from birth, lol) relax hair and whatever clothes me want to wear. I strongly believe that black women (the ugly hat crowd) who wear long skirts, zero jewelry but wedding band and looking outdated at all times and say its because of church, they are serving god and keeping it pure. They are stuck in slave mode. The slave mode I’m referring to his when Massa wife prohibited… Read more »
Male chauvinism disgusts me. Then again female chauvinism aggravates me too…..it seems as if I am in a constant state of annoyance…A really moody mi moody fi true? No but seriously, a huge set of problems arise from patriarchal systems and the failure to appreciate and respect women within those types of systems. Vatican is one of those systems…
That’s true Yw, he’s the best part of the entire bible to me, his character is amazing and if we could live like that theworld would be a bbetter place. I’m just not sure about the philosophy built around him
You mean the story around him?
Yes Yw, the foundation of the Christian religion
NuNu, I believe there are many elements of “Jesus” in our society. But utopia can never be present on this earth realm…good and bad must be in play for a balance of all things…even that Christian character knew that.
Yes Cami but I don’t think there is a balance, it is extremely one sided. I see more darkness than light in this world
The same that was around before and during Jesus, except we have technology.
I love the story of Jesus. I don’t know nor care if he was real. I just like the story of a person making the choice to try and be the best they can be. Of course, I have a problem with the immaculate conception, all man disciple crew, and a few other things in the story but a good read none the less.
And for me it is the stories of Jesus that caused me to question the entire Christian institution from as early as age 4-5.
Yw deh yah, we glad bag buss, where is wifey?
What a singting unoo puddung fi YW drop een lol!
Nuns, wha ah gwan? Keep out some detention slip for tonight… something tell mi yuh ah go need some…
We can’t under a Meji and nu have nu use, lol
Yw, she need a few fi fi har self. We girl de some whey whey she a look out pon cow pasture. All a plan fi ride one back home cause she go tek up casino fever! Yes de one innocent NuNu.
Wha yuh sey Cams, NuNu ah go mek di cow go Moo Moo
My glad bag buss fi de ‘ere. Ty not feeling too well tonight. I think she may be sleeping this now out… So, I’ll be TYW tonight…
Ok, she did post 18 responses in advance so Ty good fi de night. Hope she feels better soon.
Hi Yw!
@ Cami – Thanks
@ Toy – Heeyyy!!
Answer all the questions Kia, oin unda mi skin, Nunu ah yuh ei nuh!
Night all!!!!!
Me can’t stop embrace yu…good night SIR.
Night night mi Sis (respect’ why is a bug “S”)
lolol cause it go ssssssssssssssssssssss? lol
Sorry, is out of respect’ why I used a big “S”..heehee…SSSSSSSSSssssss
lolol…….reSSSSpect, lol
Good night people i are here. I can never visualize a face for God. I only get an image of light when thinking of him.
And so do I…we on the right path with that.
1-Do you believe in religion? NO. To me, religion is industrialized spirituality; processed from the minds of those before me; weaponized to use faith and hope against believers of whichever particular belief. 2-Should race (skin color) matter whether in tradition or religion, in who we worship or venerate as deity? In my opinion, people should be free to worship whatever they want if it does no harm to another. If someone want to worship cow crap, feel free, as long as you are not throwing it on me. 3- Seeing that there is no image of God in any religion… Read more »
Yw answers:
1) was “NO” and the most powerful part of his explanation of why was “…weaponized to use faith and hope against believers of whichever particular belief.”
All Perfect responses from Yw for those struggling with an honest opinion/answer to the questions.
Goodnight folks!
NuNu, rope in, rope in.
I am here, Cami moderating, I am having gas pains people
Ring ding ding ding ding…It’s now 8 pm! Book club is now in session. Good evening all attendees, I’ll be assisting Obara Meji tonight and our dear Ty has lead us off on the topic. We can take a few minutes to review the question posted before tonight, then we can proceed fully.
*Take note: Bloggers and Peepers…this isn’t a Chrisitan base site. Therefore, any offense taken by our open discussion wasn’t deliberate, but that is just the way it read because we aren’t on the same page. Ase.
Ase
I am here
A pleasure to see you TOY7318. Let’s review and then begin.
Hi teacher Obara, Cami Boo our assistant teache. let me review
I understand, no man its ok, I am sure this will be a hot topic for thursday to come!
Yes it will…
Sorry to get started so early…it is hard for me in the week to get thru the material…after watching the video, I could not help but comment…
Yes Ty, because I do not hate white people or anyone, I have no hate for them, I just do not want to pray to a God or deity which does not look like me. I know od has no image, but since imagery projects reality, and often times people need to see or feel to connect, then let me connect with something or someone who resembles me!
I can understand that…
When I looked at Cesar, he did not look like me…not even a tan after dragging the cross for miles…
I was in a Catholic Church once looking at pictures of the 12 stations of Christ and asked a priest if Jesus never get sun burn or tan…he bled but no tan or burn…
Thanks for that Ty, I have not read it all as yet, but Cesare Borgia and his family were the worst! he and his sister were lovers, he and his whole family were like the Italian mafia, until I saw this video I had no idea that the picture was of Cesare Borgia, I know it was of Michael Angelo’s cousin, but of who I did not know
https://www.israelite.net/image.htm
this reminds me of a child male or female being raped or sexually abused by their same sex and then becoming gay. I have always wondered why? I would have though that they would have not want anything to do with who/what hurt them.
Yet the oppressors who are white went in to Africa, stole the people abused them, and then they turn around and worship a deity which looks like the oppressors. There is some psychological answer to this, I guess!
Yes Obara….
I am proud though that even though they raped, beat, and maimed us…we did not become them…we did not become them, we did become them…
We still have love…
I often wonder how come…we were robbed of everything…but our ancestors tapped into the greatest magic and force there is Love…we chose love …
lawks de topic jump off already, ah cyaan wait
Over 400 years of whipping will make you believe anything…black people will believe anything…that is why even some blacks think they are white…
God is energy…omnipotent…that we cannot understand fully…we are however able to tap into portions of this energy thru prayer and meditation…we use deities to try to comprehend portions or aspects of this urn fathomable force ….
I do NOT believe in religion…
The story of Jesus is great one…it resonates with me because like Jesus, I too am a bastard…
However how his story was used to in doctrinate my ancestors…they were tortured, raped, and killed in his name….
To answer the question in the video, I choose the man in the middle, the pic of Jesus…it was that same picture and the one of Mary that made me question my ideas on God, the bible, religion, and spirituality …it was what lead me on this path…
I am no longer Christian but was, and if that picture did not haunt me, I prolly still would be Christian…the man in the picture does not look like me and late at night his eyes would creep me out…
Almost every one pick Jesus
Lol
…or god as some of them referred to the Jesus picture.
Dat one always confuse me. How people think of jesus and God as one in the same?
Well well…” We in the skreets”…. Grung…
Not sure who is my fav character : the first guy, guy in hoodie at 40 min, or the one at 44mon with the blus scarf…lol
Very interesting topic…
The first man i shall call “yoggie bear” look like he wanted to commit a felony upon being told Jesus isn’t real, lol