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Good Morning to all, we will be having our book club discussion this evening beginning at 8 pm. The subject for tonight is posted below,  all who will be apart of tonight’s discussion will be expected to read. There are also questions related to the subject matter which are expected to be answered. Professor YW, will be the moderator for the evening and for the evenings discussion. He will, when he comes post his own instructions which we will all adhere to. I urge you all that if you have to post any comments not related to this particular post or book club discussion, please make the comments in the TREVOR post, as I want this board to be for just the discussions only. Last week we had a wonderful time and we learned a lot, we thank Lalibela Nile who did a fine job, and I also thank you all for being supportive and showing up. We must learn, this is why we are here on this realm and it is to acquire knowledge and also to pass on knowledge. Knowledge is knowledge, so being selective in what you learn is not wise. you will never know when you need to use what you once rejected to know or learn. Let us use this space for all the good that we can, and learn from each other, let us exercise our brains, and whatever we learn from each other, I urge you all to share, pass it on. Post no videos please, so that the weight of them will not interfere with the post tonight

 

 

BODY RITUAL AMONG THE NACIREMA

Horace Miner

From Horace Miner, “Body Ritual among the Nacirema.” Reproduced by permission of the American Anthropological Association from The American Anthropologist, vol. 58 (1956), pp. 503-507.


Most cultures exhibit a particular configuration or style. A single value or pat-
tern of perceiving the world often leaves its stamp on several institutions in the
society. Examples are “machismo” in Spanish-influenced cultures, “face” in
Japanese culture, and “pollution by females” in some highland New Guinea
cultures. Here Horace Miner demonstrates that “attitudes about the body”
have a pervasive influence on many institutions in Nacireman society.

 

The anthropologist has become so familiar with the diversity of ways in which different peoples behave in similar situations that he is not apt to be surprised by even the most exotic customs. In fact, if all of the logically possible combinations of behavior have not been found somewhere in the world, he is apt to suspect that they must be present in some yet undescribed tribe.  This point has, in fact, been expressed with respect to clan organization by Murdock.  In this light, the magical beliefs and practices of the Nacirema present such unusual aspects that it seems desirable to describe them as an example of the extremes to which human behavior can go.

Professor Linton first brought the ritual of the Nacirema to the attention of anthropologists twenty years ago, but the culture
of this people is still very poorly understood. They are a North American group living in the territory between the Canadian Creel the Yaqui and Tarahumare of Mexico, and the Carib and Arawak of the Antilles. Little is known of their origin, although tradition states that they came from the east….

Nacirema culture is characterized by a highly developed market economy which as evolved in a rich natural habitat. While much of the people’s time is devoted to economic pursuits, a large part of the fruits of these labors and a considerable portion
of the day are spent in ritual activity. The focus of this activity is the human body, the appearance and health of which loom as a dominant concern in the ethos of the people. While such a concern is certainly not unusual, its ceremonial aspects and associated philosophy are unique.

The fundamental belief underlying the whole system appears to be that the human body is ugly and that its natural tendency is
to debility and disease. Incarcerated in such a body, man’s only hope is to avert these characteristics through the use of the
powerful influences of ritual and ceremony. Every household has one or more shrines devoted to this purpose. The more
powerful individuals in the society have several shrines in their houses and, in fact, the opulence of a house is often referred to
in terms of the number of such ritual centers it possesses. Most houses are of wattle and daub construction, but the shrine rooms of the more wealthy are walled with stone. Poorer families imitate the rich by applying pottery plaques to their shrine walls.  While each family has at least one such shrine, the rituals associated with it are not family ceremonies but are private and
secret. The rites are normally only discussed with children, and then only during the period when they are being initiated into these mysteries. I was able, however, to establish sufficient rapport with the natives to examine these shrines and to have the rituals described to me.

The focal point of the shrine is a box or chest which is built into the wall. In this chest are kept the many charms and magical potions without which no native believes he could live. These preparations are secured from a variety of specialized practitioners. The most powerful of these are the medicine men, whose assistance must be rewarded with substantial gifts.  However, the medicine men do not provide the curative potions for their clients, but decide what the ingredients should be and then write them down in an ancient and secret language. This writing is understood only by the medicine men and by the herbalists who, for another gift, provide the required charm.

The charm is not disposed of after it has served its purpose, but is placed in the charmbox of the household shrine. As these
magical materials are specific for certain ills, and the real or imagined maladies of the people are many, the charm-box is usually full to overflowing. The magical packets are so numerous that people forget what their purposes were and fear to use them again. While the natives are very vague on this point, we can only assume that the idea in retaining all the old magical materials is that their presence in the charm-box, before which the body rituals are conducted, will in some way protect the worshipper.

Beneath the charm-box is a small font. Each day every member of the family, in succession, enters the shrine room, bows
his head before the charm-box, mingles different sorts of holy water in the font, and proceeds with a brief rite of ablution.
The holy waters are secured from the Water Temple of the community, where the priests conduct elaborate ceremonies to
make the liquid ritually pure.

In the hierarchy of magical practitioners, and below the medicine men in prestige, are specialists whose designation is best translated “holy-mouth-men.” The Nacirema have an almost pathological horror of and fascination with the mouth, the condition of which is believed to have a supernatural influence on all social relationships. Were it not for the rituals of the
mouth, they believe that their teeth would fall out, their gums bleed, their jaws shrink, their friends desert them, and their lovers
reject them. They also believe that a strong relationship exists between oral and moral characteristics. For example, there is a ritual ablution of the mouth for children which is supposed to improve their moral fiber.

The daily body ritual performed by everyone includes a mouth-rite. Despite the fact that these people are so punctilious about care of the mouth, this rite involves a practice which strikes the uninitiated stranger as revolting. It was reported to me that the ritual consists of inserting a small bundle of hog hairs into the mouth, along with certain magical powders, and then moving the bundle in a highly formalized series of gestures.

In addition to the private mouth-rite, the people seek out a holy-mouth-man once or twice a year. These practitioners
have an impressive set of paraphernalia, consisting of a variety of augers, awls, probes, and prods. The use of these objects in the exorcism of the evils of the mouth involves almost unbelievable ritual torture of the client. The holy-mouth-man open the clients mouth and, using the above mentioned tools, enlarges any holes which decay may have created in the teeth. Magical materials are put into these holes. If there age no naturally occurring holes in the teeth, large sections of one or more teeth are gouged out so that the supernatural substance can be applied. In the client’s view, the purpose of these ministrations is to arrest decay and to draw friends. The extremely sacred and traditional character of the rite is evident in the fact that the natives return to the holy–mouth-men year after year, despite the fact  that their teeth continue to decay.

    It is to be hoped that, when a thorough  study of the Nacirema is made, there will  be careful inquiry into the personality  structure of these people. One has but to  watch the gleam in the eye of a holy-  mouth-man, as he jabs an awl into an  exposed nerve, to suspect that a certain  amount of sadism is involved. If this can be  established, a very interesting pattern  emerges, for most of the population shows  definite masochistic tendencies. It was to  these that Professor Linton referred in discussing a distinctive part of the daily  body ritual which is performed only by  men. This part of the rite involves scraping  and lacerating the surface of the face with a  sharp instrument. Special women’s rites are  performed only four times during each  lunar month, but what they lack in  frequency is made up in barbarity. As part  of this ceremony, women bake their heads  in small ovens for about an hour. The  theoretically interesting point is that what  seems to be a preponderantly masochistic  people have developed sadistic specialists.

The medicine men have an imposing  temple, or latipso, in every community of  any size. The more elaborate ceremonies  required to treat very sick patients can only  be performed at this temple. These ceremonies involve not only the thaumaturge  but a permanent group of vestal maidens  who move sedately about the temple  chambers in distinctive costume and head-  dress.

The latipso ceremonies are so harsh that  it is phenomenal that a fair proportion of  the really sick natives who enter the temple The concept of culture  ever recover. Small children whose indoctrination is still incomplete have been  known to resist attempts to take them to  the temple because “that is where you go to  die.” Despite this fact, sick adults are not  only willing but eager to undergo the  protracted ritual purification, if they can  afford to do so. No matter how ill the  supplicant or how grave the emergency, the  guardians of many temples will not admit a  client if he cannot give a rich gift to the  custodian. Even after one has gained admission and survived the ceremonies, the  guardians will not permit the neophyte to  leave until he makes still another gift.

The supplicant entering the temple is  first stripped of all his or her clothes. In  everyday life the Nacirema avoids exposure  of his body and its natural functions.  Bathing and excretory acts are performed  only in the secrecy of the household shrine,  where they are ritualized as part of the  body-rites. Psychological shock results  from the fact that body secrecy is suddenly  lost upon entry into the latipso. A man,  whose own wife has never seen him in an  excretory act, suddenly finds himself naked  and assisted by a vestal maiden while he  performs his natural functions into a sacred  vessel. This sort of ceremonial treatment is  necessitated by the fact that the excreta are  used by a diviner to ascertain the course  and nature of the client’s sickness. Female  clients, on the other hand, find their naked  bodies are subjected to the scrutiny,  manipulation and prodding of the medicine  men.

Few supplicants in the temple are well  enough to do anything but lie on their  hard  beds. The daily ceremonies, like the rites of  the holy-mouth-men, involve discomfort  and torture. With ritual precision, the  vestals awaken their miserable charges each  dawn and roll them about on their beds of  pain while performing ablutions, in the  formal movements of which the maidens are highly trained. At other times they  insert magic wands in the supplicant’s  mouth or force him to eat substances which  are supposed to be healing. From time to  time the medicine men come to their clients  and jab magically treated needles into their  flesh. The fact that these temple ceremonies  may not cure, and may even kill the  neophyte, in no way decreases the people’s  faith in the medicine men.

There remains one other kind of  practitioner, known as a “listener.” This  witchdoctor has the power to exorcise the  devils that lodge in the heads of people who  have been bewitched. The Nacirema  believe that parents bewitch their own  children. Mothers are particularly suspected of putting a curse on children while  teaching them the secret body rituals. The  counter-magic of the witchdoctor is unusual in its lack of ritual. The patient simply tells the “listener” all his troubles and  fears, beginning with the earliest difficulties  he can remember. The memory displayed  by the Nacirerna in these exorcism sessions  is truly remarkable. It is not uncommon for  the patient to bemoan the rejection he felt  upon being weaned as a babe, and a few  individuals even see their troubles going  back to the traumatic effects of their own  birth.

In conclusion, mention must be made of  certain practices which have their base in  native esthetics but which depend upon the  pervasive aversion to the natural body and  its functions. There are ritual fasts to make  fat people thin and ceremonial feasts to  make thin people fat. Still other rites are  used to make women’s breasts larger if they  are small, and smaller if they are large.  General dissatisfaction with breast shape is symbolized in the fact that the ideal form is virtually outside the range of human   variation. A few women afflicted with almost inhuman hyper-mamrnary development are so idolized that they make a   handsome living by simply going from village to village and permitting the natives to stare at them for a fee.

Reference has already been made to the   fact that excretory functions are ritualized,   routinized, and relegated to secrecy. Natural reproductive functions are similarly distorted. Intercourse is taboo as a topic and scheduled as an act. Efforts are made to   avoid pregnancy by the use of magical   materials or by limiting intercourse to certain phases of the moon. Conception is   actually very infrequent. When pregnant, women dress so as to hide their condition.  Parturition takes place in secret, without   friends or relatives to assist, and the majority of women do not nurse their infants.

Our review of the ritual life of the Nacirema has certainly shown them to be a   magic-ridden people. It is hard to un-   derstand how they have managed to exist   so long under the burdens which they have   imposed upon themselves. But even such   exotic customs as these take on real   meaning when they are viewed with the insight provided by Malinowski when he   wrote:

“Looking from far and above, from our  high places of safety in the developed civilization, it is easy to see all the crudity and irrelevance of magic. But without its power and guidance early man could not   have mastered his practical difficulties as he has done, nor could man have advanced to the higher stages of civilization.”

References
Linton, Ralph. 1936. The Study of Man. New York: D. Appleton-Century.
Malinowski, Bronislaw. 1948. Magic, Science, and Religion.  Glencoe, Ill.: The Free Press.

Murdock, George P.  1949. Social Structure.  New York:  Macmillan.

 

 

Questions:1. Does this culture seem primitive?
2. Do you think the charms and magical potions used by the Nacirema really work?
3. To what extent can you identify with the article?
4. Who are the Nacirema?

 

Ẹnití ò bá fẹ́ ṣe àṣedànù kò lè ṣe àṣejèrè /
Whoever is unwilling to suffer loss can’t experience gains……Yoruba Proverbs!

[Nothing ventured, nothing gained]

 

All religions are valid as long as it teaches peace and love…..Obara Meji!

 

There are no disappointments in life, only lessons learned…..Obara Meji!

I Have No White God, Don’t Teach Me Anything Wrong!…Sizzla Kolanji!

 

 

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Cami
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Good Night All. Nile, I loved your responses.

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Thank you Cami 🙂

kiabubblez
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kiabubblez

Good night Ty n Nunu. Sleep well. Love n light

kiabubblez
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1. Does this culture seem primitive? Lol yes n no some of their practices are still done today.

2. Do you think the charms and magical potions used by the Nacirema really work?
I visit my pcp or dr yearly and sometimes he prescribes a magical potion that works often times not.
3. To what extent can you identify with the
article? I believe the shrine to be the almighty toilet. Which i recognize n use daily. The hog hairs are a form of toothbrush. As nasty as that sounds. Naciremas shave just like some of us. They scrape n lacerating the surface of the face with sharp instrument. I fully relate to them.

4. Who are the Nacirema?
They are typical americans lol
I apilogize for being so late. A short trip on the road turned into hours.

Ty
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Ty

No prob Kiab

NuNu
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NuNu

Hey kia

Cami
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Cami

You knew about Miner? An interesting man…me anthropology teachers should have shared him.

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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This is really remarkable; no wonder Ty wanted opinions 🙂

NuNu
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NuNu

Isn’t it Nile,
Good night folks see you all in the morrows!

Ty
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Ty

I am headed to bed too…night all…sweet dreams…

Ty
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Ty

Nile it even funnier when you go back and read it to see how they describe a medicine cabinet, brushing teeth, a hospital …etc

NuNu
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NuNu

Mi neva si seh yuh write it Ty

Ty
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Ty

No prob

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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I read the answers; however, I did not get to the part where it was mentioned that we were dealing with Americans?

NuNu
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NuNu

Nile, the rituals they spoke of are mundane things like brushing teeth, using the bathroom etc. Going to the dentist, hospital, pharmacy etc.

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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🙂

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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What? I did not even stop to even look to even notice such… Now this is something… Were we a part or a case study here?

Ty
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Ty

Lol…

It was to draw on our perceptions and make us think about many aspects before swallowing info…

Cami
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Cami

lol, Yw is a sly fox…dwln. Got to admit he did justice to our cognitive skills.

Ty
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Ty

Nile these people are Americans … Turn the name around…

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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I missed such a great discussion 🙁

NuNu
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NuNu

Nile based on the words he used to describe these every day ‘rituals’ you’d never guess, Americans.

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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1. Does this culture seem primitive?
Primitive is relative word and I would prefer to use the word ancient.

2. Do you think the charms and magical potions used by the Nacirema really work?
I could quickly say that these charms have a placebo effect. However, I won’t underestimate the conditioning of one’s mind.

3. To what extent can you identify with the article?
After reading this article, I could quickly see why Europeans jumped to the conclusion that they were saving indigenous people from around the world from themselves…

4. Who are the Nacirema?
I still don’t know who they are—other than the fact that the Caribs and Arawaks were listed as being Nacirema(s)—some of our ancestors might have been Nacirema(s) it seems..

A few observations:

Akin to Egyptian Gnostics, these individuals seem to have a great disdain for the flesh
I am surprised by the need to gain economic gains and further surprised that such existed independent of European contact
I understand the need to have individual practice; however, I find unusual that there are no communal practices…
The relation between the herbalist and the medicine man does make the practice seem like a rocket—the whole secret language reference and the need to compensate both the medicine man and the herbalist:

“Despite this fact, sick adults are not only willing but eager to undergo the protracted ritual purification, if they can afford to do so. No matter how ill the supplicant or how grave the emergency, the guardians of many temples will not admit a client if he cannot give a rich gift to the custodian.”

Molestation:

“Female clients, on the other hand, find their naked bodies are subjected to the scrutiny, manipulation and prodding of the medicine men.”

Sociology teaches that the ones are not supposed to use their culture to evaluate and judge another; however, it is difficult to be objective in this regard. Superficially, there seems to be a lot of placebo at work, underscored here,

“Were it not for the rituals of the
mouth, they believe that their teeth would fall out, their gums bleed, their jaws shrink, their friends desert them, and their lovers
reject them.”

Prostitution—hmm?

Schedule sex and population control???

NuNu
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NuNu

That’s a very interesting analysis Nile, did you read the comments to see who the “Nacirema” really are?

Cami
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Got to admit the revel was grand. I’m reading on Miner and this Nacirema paper a come from 1956!

Cami
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***Tomorrow I’ll be away until Saturday.

Onu see how me mannerable? dwln

Ty
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Ty

We will miss u cami…

I enjoyed this book club, it made me think about how I perceive and interpret life and what is presented to me…

Cami
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Cami

Nile yu catch up yet? Obara yu still a do multi?

NuNu
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NuNu

Good night Yw, Ty gone tuh?

Ty
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Ty

I will be here a bit more…

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

Well Gentle people. I had a blast and thank you all for your thoughts and opinions. Have an outstanding night….

Cami
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Cami

Same here brother Yw. Come with a next one soon.

NuNu
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NuNu

Mi glad fi unoo over here still, unoo give mi nuff courage and mi admire unoo intellect and unoo ‘dare to believe’ attitudes. Cause mi haffi “hide an lick” ova yah, the care about what people might think of you nuh quite evaporate yet. Mi deh follow smaddy outta di cave into the sunlight.

Cami
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Cami

Ain’t it a shame Nunns? Me only incognito fi have extra years pon me life cause me nu romp fi offend; primitive thinking people are easily offended, lol

NuNu
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NuNu

Yes Cam! What is shocking to me is that people will say I am open minded, U want to know, then when knowledge is introduced; it is rejected immediately. As Teach seh knowledge is knowledge, it is out there for the taking.

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

Den mi nuh nuh different Nuns ’cause when mi deh ah road mi naw tell people weh mi truly tink. Dem woulda probably institutionalize mi.

NuNu
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NuNu

Lol, Yw I didn’t know I would feel this discomfort, because of someone else’s reaction to my questioning. Moving against the tide (particular group ideology) is…I can’t even think of a word…..fill the blank

NuNu
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NuNu

Just saw what was written up top Ty and Yw, that mek nuff sense.
@Cami yes passed on beliefs Cami, it rough fi pull whe from tho

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

I understand and hope that I have not made you feel any less than you are because that is not my intention. No should make you feel less than because of what you believe because it is what you believe that is important to you. If people want to imply that you are nuts then let them.***between me an you mi get call crazy, asshole, dick, bastard, and more*** Remember that is their perception.

Cami
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Our perceptions and worldviews are a part of our makeup, but we must keep our eyes open to see the shifts. People who don’t notice the shift are the ones with primitive outlooks/worldviews because they refuse to adjust/intake knowledge or information that differs from the ones they hold dear.

Cami
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Tap yu noise! This was great. Light hearted, brain teaser.

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

How mi know seh di bad breed pickney woulda start 🙂

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

Thank you!!

Cami
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Cami

lol, me love that moniker cause me 2 grandfathers call me so, and dem love did love me bad. Me was none a tall de fool fool pickney, lol. Me we fraid a something, yet a poke at it,lol

Cami
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Cami

Yw, just see the question. Yes we have primitive ways…cold blooded murder and all acts of depravity shows that we haven’t quite evolve.

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

I think that we will always remain primitive in a monetary based system because money will always trump (Donald) people. Until we move away from that system we can never claim to be civilized.

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Family, my emphatic apologies for being so late–I just got back on the inside… Let me scan through the comments thus far and then take it from there…

NuNu
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NuNu

Yw, that is why I am fearful I was hyped and excited about asking the questions and receiving answers that is what learning is about, right? Sharing it on the other hand, will deflate you rather quickly. Being open minded is not as easy as it sounds, other peoples reaction can be quite viceral and if you are not fully certain about your own beliefs then it’s easy to be filled with doubt. It’s a process

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

Hey Cams, what you think about the perception thing?

Cami
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Cami

perception is subjective.

Ty
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Ty

This is something I am working on daily…looking and analyzing from different aspects rather than just on the surface…

NuNu
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NuNu

Yes Ty, “different aspects” being the operative words. When you’re seeking understanding you have to step outside of the realm of your possibilities into the unknown, there’s alot of self doubt and fear that comes along with that, does that make sense?

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

RAHTID!!! Unno gone?

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

To me perception is a huge topic. We just saw how the packaging of a thing affects how we view it but perception is wider than that. If you wear glasses, tek them aff and put them on and note the difference in that “physical” perception. From that we may say that everyone “sees” differently but because we only know how our eyes work or see, them we assume that that is how everyone “sees”. Think bout that for a bit. That would make auras, insight, and so much more not only possible but plausible….

NuNu
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NuNu

Being here has widened my viewpoint and understanding. It’s like standing directly in front of something and looking at it but if you step back it opens up your range. There’s more to see. But when you start to question what you believe to be “true” and then the possibility is there that none of it is real that is so jarring. What do you hold on to then?

Ty
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Ty

Your true self Nunu…that is what you hold on to…you pray, fast, meditate…get to know your true self unsheathed from all the teachings, you will then see what you truly believe….it is a process and requires work…

I too am working on it…

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

Yes, I understand completely. Ah nuff time the floor fall out from beneath me but give it time. Also, just to warn you, the more you start to think outside of the conventions is the more careful you have to be when expressing them. That is why I am always thankful to Obara Meji for this website that can facilitate such discussions.

Cami
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Cami

Is it your truth or the truth passed on to you, NuNu?

NuNu
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NuNu

The reason why I said so Yw, speaks to conditioning again, it is not easy to do away with what was believed for years as right and law

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

Conditioning good in yu hair and so on. No a joke mi ah run. We all get conditioned along the way and it is not easy to break away from what we have been taught because it may seem like the floor beneath you will collapse. However, it is difficult to build in sand. Sometimes you have to clear the sand to get to a true foundation so that something amazing and lasting can be built. It is my opinion that it is definitely worth it.

Ty
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Ty

how unno like the description of the hospital or latispo or temple?

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

Mi ah one ah di likkle pikney weh nuh wah guh…Mi fraid ah dat…

NuNu
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NuNu

Yes the “verbal packaging” threw me of completely. The wording conditioned yuh to think immediately about something primitive and ancient at the same time

NuNu
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NuNu

That’s why it is important not to make hasty assumptions

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

When they “teach” us black history it is incomplete or just incorrect. When they control access and delivery of information then you have to question. Sapere Aude – Dare to know
Suh Nuns, do not be afraid to question because the truth may offend but it is never a sin

Courtney
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Lol yup quite brilliant a

Ty
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Ty

The article shows how you package a thing makes a difference…how u talk about it can skew your perceptions…di medicine chest shrine is a wonderful example

Cami
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Cami

Me puzzled from I read the Canadian Creel and was trying to visualize how they migrated in such a wide range. But because I know that alot of tribes out in the world I didn’t go beyond the assignment.

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

They are an invasive species that has wreaked havoc on the native population…

Cami
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Cami

parasitic.

NuNu
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NuNu

The funny thing is the author said they are located between the canadian creel, the Antilles of the carib and arawak and the something or the other of Mexico. So that is between Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean, nuh the USA dat. Lawk a mi lol

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Turning in my late assignment ….

1. I would say that this culture highlights many extreme primitive tendencies but I can’t conclude whether they are primitive or not since I look at other cultures that, even now, have also preserved their “weird” practices.

2. While I love cultures that relentlessly preserve their ancient rituals, whether weird, psychotic or spiritual, I doubt that the dawn charms and freaking potions actual work …as all I kept hearing, repeatedly, in my head was di infamous Reggae artist, Bounty Killa, reciting “PEOPLE DEAD!!” ( a dead c-russ)… so I believe the proof is in the pudding!

3. I identified with these points below:-

– They have miraculously preserved their ancient tradition and being apart of this community here I have come to appreciate cultures that aren’t watered down even if the mass turns their nose up at it.

– I loved their shrine worship and honor

-I love that they were a people that exercised EXTREME faith, trust and courage!

– I love that they had secrecy

– They believed that a strong relationship exists between oral & moral characteristics. . Which can have many interpretations but still profound.

– The ritual fasts to make fat people thin and the ceremonial feasts to make thin people fat. (Mi malnourished bad ya now and mi belly way too bigga dan mi head and dat de practice would do me some justice unuh dont judge me!)

– making larger breast small and smaller breast large. Check it out star…. dem jus like di man dem weh a run road inna fi wi era weh love off BUBBLA BREAST SUZIE!!! Di ooman dem a gu tru bare insecurity if dem breast dem small! Check ya… ” General dissatisfaction with breast shape is symbolized in the fact that the ideal form is virtually outside the form of human variation. A few women afflicted with inhuman hyper mammary development are so IDOLIZED that they make handsome living …..”

4. Conclusion. .. is a mad rass set a people!!!!! Mi loike dem! A dem seh hot head!! Literally!! Dem head lef inna di small oven fi more dan a damn hour man! Dem fi talk chute!

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

Kiss mi Rahtid Yazsters…yuh early fi tomarrow….

NuNu
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NuNu

Yazzy a whe yuh come from,lol

Courtney
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Lol no comment

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

Mi ah guh trouble yu now…Whe you research an find…nuh worry mi ah laugh wid yu, wid yuh

NuNu
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NuNu

The american society!!! Suh hol’ on deh…..?????

Courtney
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I just read a little more about them but basically that they are into major body modification. The amputate babies and subject the mothers who actually have a brain to extreme levels of peer pressure to conform. The women are born perfect and the men are the only ones amputated. That made me pause and ponder if the had some domestic violence issues

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

Sorry I meant at yu. mi naw laugh at yu..

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

HEeheehehehehehheeheheh

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

ALRIGHT CLASS!!! SEKKLE DUNG PLEASE!!! Now what I would like you all to do is write NACIREMA backwards and tell mi wah unno get, please…

Courtney
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American

Cami
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Cami

AMERICAN! lol Come Yw, fill us in on the rational of this author.

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

Marketing is a hell of ah ting because if we let it, it will affect our perception.

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

5 mins people…brace yourselves

NuNu
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NuNu

Ok wi deh brace….

NuNu
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NuNu

Same can be said about pinching the baby’s nose or putting clothes pin on it. I think it’s conditioning why aquiline features are seen as the most beautiful. The closer you are to the euro aesthetic the more physically attractive you become

NuNu
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NuNu

Weall can identify with conditioning. It is impossible to live in a society and not be condition to an extent but we as individuals need to be conscious of what we do and why, we do it. As Yw said once ipon a time “it begins with a question” understanding that is

Ty
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Ty

True Nunu…it is easy to do as the Romans do while in Rome…that is why a conscious effort and dedication has to be made to embrace spirituality in our western culture…

NuNu
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NuNu

Yes Ty! I won’t lie, looking beyond, for example, religion is scary to me, asking questions and seeking certain answers is down right terrifying, let me explain

Cami
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Cami

The best way to not be a fully conditioned is to be a stubborn child, because the conditioning is done from 0-12 by our parents/guardians, teachers and community heads.

Ty
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Ty

Cami some adults still stuck…

NuNu
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NuNu

The media is huge as well

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

An we have a problem there. How can an education system in a society that has always viewed anything but “white” as less than not be biased? How can a syllabus be developed for both races (white and everything else) when the very foundation is and has always been unequal? A system built on inequity will always be unequal…

Ty
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Ty

Yep…mi thank God fi Jessica Simpson and her tuna in the sea chicken, kim kardashian, duck dynasty, honey boo boo…they are so redeeming…

NuNu
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NuNu

Yep adults definitely conditioned eg.spend lots of money on stuff that aren’t necessary

Ty
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Ty

see a nice summation a di people dem ya:
“Our review of the ritual life of the Nacirema has certainly shown them to be a magic-ridden people. It is hard to understand how they have managed to exist so long under the burdens which they have imposed upon themselves.”

if you not true to yourself then you will become extinct

Cami
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Cami

I am conflicted by this anthropologist. It seems that many of what he’s trying to project in this essay is from informants and not actual observations. It is fact that often times the informants will relate false information to outsiders,lol.

The hog hair in the mouth was a private ritual…I don’t believe it since these people are in deed obsess with their health.

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

But hog hair scrub teeth proper enuh!

Cami
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Cami

Choo Yw! lol. de boar bristle brush expensive and excellent for hair.

Ty
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Ty

Grung

Courtney
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I think so primarily because even today when it come to religion most ppl get so deeply involved in the process and we are taught that U don’t question God.

Ty
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Ty

Courtney you right we are not taught to question God…even worse we are taught not to ask any questions..to not think, to not wonder…just do as it was done before…or my favorite cause the bible says so..

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

I agree that when religion is involved people tend to let blind emotions cloud their judgment. But Religion seems to permeate so much of our society. Topics like: prostitution, abortion, etc have religious overtones to them. But if we look at the reason why we choose the car we do or the clothes we wear we may find that our thoughts on how others perceive us play a large role in our choice. By nature many of us are built to conform. So they tell us that we need a “shepherd to tend his flock”…

Ty
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Ty

see di catholic rhythm method here:
Intercourse is taboo as a topic and scheduled as an act. Efforts are made to avoid pregnancy by the use of magical materials or by limiting intercourse to certain phases of the moon.”

NuNu
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NuNu

While their rituals seem strange, they share similar views as westerners. They sound like they are vain and superficial in a sense. It’s just like the diet and workout fads and plastic surgery to look appealing to others

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

True fast and feast because them cannot be happy with their self image

Cami
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Cami

It’s for this reason why I really couldn’t say they are “primitive”. See Obara draw comparison with Kim K (who i like as a human-she don’t bother people) but then we can also include Lil Kim (facial enhancer) and countless others whom are enhancing their bodies.

Look at the disproportionate batty and hips that women are dying (literally) for now a days…

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

That is very true, Cams but are you saying that we (society today) are not still primitive?

Ty
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Ty

So true Cami and the extremes with which we go are laughable…

As a child I remember how they would show African tribes where people had piercing, tattoos, and ear lob stretching , g strings, etc…

It was done in a way to make them seem primitive, naive, and backward…
Only fi see now all of these are popular…

Cami
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Cami

Ty, those tarzan movies was a great primer for black americans to have many misconceptions about Africa and Africans; remember tarzan was the saving grace? sad world

Ty
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Ty

True Cami, now we have national geographic, Fox News, rush Limbaugh …

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

Mi ah go wait fi Mr. Niles but at around 9pm mi ah drop a surprise pon unno…Cool?

Ty
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Ty

yes Obara, you right see the description of Kim Kardashian here:
” A few women afflicted with almost inhuman hyper-mamrnary development are so idolized that they make a handsome living by simply going from village to village and permitting the natives to stare at them for a fee.

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

Sorry. Mi figat mi manners. Good night all and thank you for joining tonight…

NuNu
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NuNu

The article stated that even though the rituals may not work, it did not lessen the faith of the neophytes. They keep going back.This shows the power of conditioning, whether it be cultural/religious or social, people will adhere to whatever is ubiquitous in their societal setting, and follow it because they are taught that it is right. This is their normal.

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

So, do you think that we are any different in how we operate today?

Cami
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Cami

No. Today we have the Spiritualist which is the doctor and the herbalist which is the pharmacist.

*Obara fi dem spiritualist is far remove from your gift; which you also alluded to in your answers.

NuNu
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NuNu

We may not use the same ‘ techniques’ as they seem to, but that idea of appeasing and or supplicating is in most cultures, I think

Ty
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Ty

True Nunu…most cultures have some form of appeasing…ours tells us to appease our pastors with tithes, offerings, etc…most thru guilt tactics and fear…

Cami
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Cami

Thus, conditioning is what creates cultural norms. I find these people to be hypochondriacs and their reasoning may have been due to exposure to Europeans…if their practices do not predate such contact.

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

Blert Neat Cami! Mek wi explore dat….

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

“…due to exposure to Europeans” Now yu see why mi seh fi explore dat one Cams

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

Very interesting and thought provoking ideas Courtney. Do you think that in our current society, though, that there are any similarities in our views? Particularly from the following: “There are ritual fasts to make fat people thin and ceremonial feasts to make thin people fat. Still other rites are used to make women’s breasts larger if they are small, and smaller if they are large.”

Courtney
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Good night all

Just got off a little while ago.hope everyone had a great day

Ty
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Ty

Hey Courtney, Yazzy, Nunu, Yw, Obara

NuNu
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NuNu

Hey Ty

Courtney
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1. Very primitive and backward culture steeped in dogma. The culture has not evolved and uses body modification and torture to hold the citizens in mental slavery

2. I feel the charms and potions work because the illness is imaginary. The wounds are self inflicted so they are in fact treating the wounds that they created. So I’m sure they work to prolong the amount of time the victim can be subjected to this special brand of torture.

3. I can identify with the article because this is a method used in Christianity. The blind faith as well as the insistence of holding onto the beliefs with bloody fingernails. After reading this article I researched a bit more and found that they use body modification as a way of social acceptance. Anyone who dares to reject the rituals is considered an outcast and therefore rejecting the entire family. The amputate the limbs of the men to subdue them and make them feel like they are less of a man but turn around and outcast them if they have all limbs. Sick! pathology at its best.

These people are a tribe living in terror and shrouded in group think . They were clearly subjected to a psychopathic king or priest who found delight it torturing the weak of mind. God be with them

Cami
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Cami

Good Evening Obara Meji (Hostess) and Yw (Moderator) and my fellow ES Peeps and Peepers.

A1: I do not believe this culture is in the general sense of being “Primative”. They exhibit behaviors that are found in our daily activities/rituals as well.

A2: To say the charms and magical potions are effective or ineffective has me in a corner. Then again, if it creates harmony and aides in longevity of their mortality rate then…it’s a yes.

A3: I identify with these people base on the Caribbean region that they can be found in, consciousness of health and the rituals involving shrines.

A4: It’s possible that the Naciremans originated from the Canary Islands, there about, or from some long ago territory, in the North West region of the African continent.

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

Good to see the similarities between our society and that of the Nacirema. Interesting thoughts on answer 4.

NuNu
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NuNu

The first thing I thought of was that the Nacirema are a group of native tribal people

NuNu
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NuNu

Reading the article with a”modern ‘civilized’ western outlook, the first thing that came to mind was “what a bunch of backward, primitive, bizarre and more than odd people”.These charms and potions seem ridiculous, and they don’t make much sense. We all have daily ‘rituals’ we perform but those routine things are ‘normal’ and understandable to my senses.

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

Very nice Nunu in saying “Reading the article with a ”modern ‘civilized’ western outlook….” It is important to identify where we stand when observing or assessing something. That is key to objectivity because from that you should be able to see any biases you may have…

NuNu
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NuNu

Yes prof Yw, agreed

Obara Meji
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Ah running late, ah coming

Obara Meji
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Lalibela says he is on his way, he will soon be here

Yazzy
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Yazzy

PRESENT!!

Good night Obara… Headboy and Professor Yw and allllll my sweetie classmates!

NuNu
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NuNu

Hi classmate Yazzy!

Yazzy
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Yazzy

Good night baby girl

Ty
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Ty

Present…reading the little one a story for bed and will be back in 10 minutes…

Ty
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Ty

My answers for discussion

:1. Does this culture seem primitive?
Yes, dem primitive bad, very weird practices

2. Do you think the charms and magical potions used by the Nacirema really work? Believe kill and believe cures, yes…they collect them in their shrines and have specific ones for specific maladies… Some have supernatural powers…

3. To what extent can you identify with the article? Every culture have their beliefs, and customs…I once believed that they was a man in the sky with a record of every thought, deed or word I said and if I did something bad, another guy under the earth that lives in a fiery pit with a fork was ready to burn me…

4. Who are the Nacirema? I have a few ideas…

Mth me can copy answer #4 from you?

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

Like how yu seh: “Belief kill and belief cure”

kiabubblez
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kiabubblez

Ekale Hello people i will be back round 8:30-9. Have to run errands now. I have my responses ready to add to the discussion. Soon forward

MTH
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MTH

Howdy all.

Obara Meji
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Howdy will you be in the book club tonight

NuNu
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NuNu

Good morning class!

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

Morning Obara!! Thanks for everything and look forward to chatting with you and the whole class…’til then…mari e ni’gba mi (hope that’s right)

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

Salutations and exultations my esteemed colleagues. Today is test day and invigilators will be going around to ensure that there is no copying (TY) – AH JOKE MI AH MEK!!! HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHHEHEHEHE Alright serious time now:
Hey All! You may ask, “What does this essay have to do with Spirituality?” Well…it may help to explore ideas of perspective, self-reflection, imagination, memory, and other thoughts that are important in attaining a greater level of enlightenment (in my opinion).
It is an opinion based discussion, so the objective is just to get us to share our thoughts and to, perhaps, enhance them to a deeper level. It is linked to our last book club discussion in that the marketing of a thing affects our perspective and so we must guard our minds against this. Shit molded into an intricate design and packaged beautifully is still shit.
Thank you all in advance for helping to enhance my thoughts through sharing yours in this upcoming discussion. I apologize if my opinions offend anyone because that is never my intention and take no offense to any of your opinions. UNNO TEK TIME WID ME….mi tell unno seh mi bruise easy enuh…
To help with the flow of the discussion I ask that we try to post all our answers for the questions by 8:20 and then the real discussion will begin. Talk to you all soon…

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