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 This Thursday October 16th 2014 in our book club discussion I Obara Meji have provided the material which you will find the link below, with an Introduction to the subject as well. I will be the one to moderate on the topic. We thank Kiabublez for her contribution to book club night she did a job well done on a very controversial topic. Good job Kia. It is unfortunate that I did not see my regulars to show support, but it is what it is, nuff love same way. Book Club begins @ 8pm, please make an effort to be here, knowledge is power, let us learn together.

I stumbled onto this video today, the brother Sa neter, is someone I know because I use to buy a lot of videos from him down in harlem. He is a very conscious brother, and I loved our many conversations. When you speak with people like his you learn, on that I can assure you. Now this topic is not about white and black to me Obara Meji. It is about logic and what is right. I was born into this religion christianity, which in my opinion, is the worse thing ever to happen to Black people, again My opinion!

I was one of them christians who loved Christ, I still do!..Are you shocked?, I said I still does, do, I likes de bredda!

Let me explain why; I have no idea if this brother existed or not although history says Yes he did. We do not have to believe what history says, because it is just that…His..Story…tainted and revised while being told or written through generations, so I being of sound mind and body cannot trust that entirely. However, the reason I like Jesus Christ, (I do not worship him, or pray in his name, or have him as my lord and saviour, no, not any more) is if what he portrays, benevolence!

Cinderella did not exist, but yet I felt empathy for her and the treatment she received at the hands of her cruel stepsisters and de ugly step madda. Jesus’s character as told in the bible was of a being that was kind natured and loving with a hint of temper (member when him beat de gamblers out of the temple). Now let me be clear, I question the very existence of Jesus, having now become “awake” and realizing that religion is really controll. Just something to believe in and many people just want to BELIEVE. Its just that simple. My attraction to the character is his benevolence, made up or not.

What is sad to me however as an African is that all other races worship and reveres deities that look like them, deities which they identify with culturally and traditionally, except the African. While there are some, how many are rushing to Africa to worship our Gods?

The Cubans worship Lucumi, which came in through the trans atlantic slave trade with them to cuba, when the Yorubas arrived as captured slave on the Island. Among them were Iyanifa’s, olorisha’s and Babalawo’s and other initiates of Ifa/Orisha. They preserved the worship as a collective, and hid the Orishas under the guise of catholic saints, yet slavery has been abolished for years, but the Cubans now call the Yoruba practice Lucimi, and have lightened the skin of the Orishas, changed the names to suit their language, Yemoja is called Yemaya and our Orunmila has become Orula. They even trash talk Africa and Africa from whence their religion came from and discourage people from going to Africa, where Orunmila built his house in Ile Ife Nigeria. So even though for years they had been great custodian of the tradition, they have bastardized it to fit them, while trying to put the African down or as worthless regarding his own legacy. O ma se ooo..My elders in Nigeria including my very powerful husband, told me “leave them, don’t mind them” God sees all things.

Please watch the video (s), I may add more and come mek we reason. Please be here on this very important topic and add you piece. and while you are at it, please pick or choose which one of these men have the most impact on your life;

Marcus Garvey….Jesus Christ…..Malcom X

1-Do you believe in religion? If yes, why and what purpose does it serve and what has religion done for you?

2-Should race (skin color) matter whether in tradition or religion, in who we worship or venerate as deity?

3- Seeing that there is no image of God in any religion or tradition, how do you vision the God you serve?

4- Why is it that some black people easily subscribe to the idea of worshipping or believing in another race as their God, while rejecting their own?

5- Why do you believe that the black man hate himself and his brother

6- Why do the black man look to other races as superior to him, this shows in him kneeling before a white image of his deity? Does that image of a white Jesus play into his Psyche as a subliminal message, and if so do you believe that christianity is and has been used to keep black people enslaved? (If this question sound repetitive, please inform me)

7 – Was all this planned?

Watch this video, I may add more

The Psychological Effects Of White Jesus Continue To Haunt Us

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Cas

Good night Obara . And good night to all my peeps

Yw
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Night Night Obara. And remember: You are Phenomenal.

Cami
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Cami

Obara and NuNu…blessings.

Yw
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To me, pastors and those in power should be held to a greater standard than everyday people. I heard about a case where a pastor had three baby mother among parishioners at his church. Shameful…. ah him name creator to rahtid…

Cami
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Cami

Okay, This session is now over. I thank ALL who participated. Again, it was a pleasure to have Toy for a while. Wish our spiritual sister Ty recovery and energy. Big up Cass, please to return…AND BLESS UP we Spiritual BROTHER YW who is so genuine that it transcends through his writings and infectious humor. Love yah. Blessings on you, Ty and the boys alway…Ase.

Cami
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Cami

Yw, i notice the use of weapons and weaponized in your answer. And I do agree because we have seen Jesus image used as a weapon of indoctrination and intimidation of people throughout the world, and over centuries.

It has been weaponized to assist in world domination of free thinking/will in the form of the Christian religion with the being termed as the lord and savior of mankind.

Yw
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Answered for me..

Cami
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Cami

So…have we addressed questions that concerned us about this image that has either satisfied some people spiritual hunger, haunted some-like myself, or has it created more distress?

Yw
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Who want to hear a conspiracy idea – The conspiracy behind the ES blog: Can’t get enough done during the day because you are busy checking the ES blog…It is a conspiracy, the likes of which go all the way to the top and……………if you don’t see me again I have enclosed the documents in an envelope that will be sent to the major news centers of the world. This is too big to let go people….

NuNu
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Cami why yuh mention ‘cocktails’!!! A wud yuh deh chrow? Yuh know what 1 week fi yuh straight!!! Yuh should be ashamed of yourself, nobody not never did get more detention than YW yet! What an example Cami! Cas pay attention this sort of behavior is unacceptable!

NuNu
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Mi.hope Ty feel better in the morrows, body come dung can mash yuh up ie nuh star!

NuNu
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By time yuh walk outta door the heapa vaseline mek di boot slidey lol, yuh knowhow much time mi slip and drop! Lolol

Cas
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Cas

You a kill me Obara

Cas
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Cas

Had to laugh

Cas
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Cas

I am leaning as I go along

Cas
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Cas

Ok,I that did not know

NuNu
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Obara yuh more than fascinated wid dem church hat ie nuh!

Cas
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Cas

Jesus came on this earth to teach us how to love one another but instead of that people consider him as he fake prophetic .The lesson was to teach us to love each other.I think that’s why he died, because there was a lot of people that love them and they did not like that.

NuNu
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Cami and Teach di 3pm slot is yours!

Yw
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Always wonder: if dem love Jesus suh, why the image of him on the crucifix? Sacrifice fi wi sin? But mi never sin before mi born….

NuNu
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I agree with the strength part Yw and Cami, when you talk about a people that know struggle inside and out, that’s us we’re survivors. Our minds however for the most part have been whittled down

NuNu
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Lol! If mi neva shame bout mi previous behavior mi woulda give out couple slip tonight Cami, Kia and of course no surprise Yw, unoo comments up top, lol

NuNu
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Yes I’ve heard of the black Israelites, I didn’t know that Marcus Garvey considered himself one. Were they the Nubians?

Cas
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Cas

One of the man in the video said Marcus Garvey was misled by the Israelite to make black people go back to Africa .I really don’t know much about Malcolm X are Marcus Garvey so that was very interested for me watching the video and learning at the same time so that was interested and see people different point of view and religion .

Cas
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Cas

Ok thank you Obara

Cas
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Cas

as a little girl growing up in Jamaica .my family did not believe in religion ,I never been to a church when I was in Jamaica before but at the same time. I know there was a God they talk about selassie. My family was rosta so I guess selassie and God is the same thing right

kiabubblez
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kiabubblez

When watching the video i start cringe after so many people pick jesus. I question the pitni on marcus garvey n surprisingly he knew nuff. Even told me some things lol

Cas
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Cas

Lol is the iPad did not know it was changing

kiabubblez
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kiabubblez

It shouldnt matter the race but it does. How can i honestly embrace my oppresor. Maybe if i had the snydrome that makes yu love ur abuser…idk rostah yes toy every old time church had the white face, blond hair, blue eye jesus but the bible said golden bronze skin n hair like lambs wool. So who the man in the picture?! Ty shared that it was caesar borgia lol i cyaa maniji dem ppl

kiabubblez
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kiabubblez

I did belive in religion. I feel because i was raised in church. The whole family goes to church together. I felt diferent about certain lessons tje parson teach n why he never answer questions about jesus. The story of jesus is sweet n loving but i wanted to know what happen between his teens n age 33. I never understood how is only christians going to heaven. What about the muslims n jehovah witness that live good without sin, they cant go heaven? too many questions n no answer i felt religion wasny doing anything. Parson preach prosperity n… Read more »

Toy
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4- Why is it that some black people easily subscribe to the idea of worshipping or believing in another race as their God, while rejecting their own? The reason is because they don’t want to pick up a book and read. I feel that if they do they would have questions of this so called Jesus. Why is that Jesus always has sun behind his head in all of his pictures. I mean I think that black should out who is Horus and Ahmen. No, don’t I believe in Jesus but that is just me.

kiabubblez
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kiabubblez

Hey Yw long time no see bredda. Yes aunty Obara lol trying think…just drink 2 hurricanes so di mind a run slow. Tek time with me

NuNu
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It would have been nice if they taught about Marcus Garvey in schools, in the video alot of the people especially younger people didn’t know who Marcus was that’s ashame.

Toy
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Ok I give some input to question number 6. It has been embedded in us as black people that Jesus is white, because if you go to black churches you see pictures of Jesus and he is white, so yes subconsciously that Jesus is white. Yes, I do believe that Christianity is keeping black people enslaved, because as soon as you tend to stray from the beliefs of the bible you are consider a devil worshipper and you are evil.

NuNu
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That’s true Yw, he’s the best part of the entire bible to me, his character is amazing and if we could live like that theworld would be a bbetter place. I’m just not sure about the philosophy built around him

Yw
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I love the story of Jesus. I don’t know nor care if he was real. I just like the story of a person making the choice to try and be the best they can be. Of course, I have a problem with the immaculate conception, all man disciple crew, and a few other things in the story but a good read none the less.

Yw
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Night all!!!!!

kiabubblez
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kiabubblez

Good night people i are here. I can never visualize a face for God. I only get an image of light when thinking of him.

Yw
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1-Do you believe in religion? NO. To me, religion is industrialized spirituality; processed from the minds of those before me; weaponized to use faith and hope against believers of whichever particular belief. 2-Should race (skin color) matter whether in tradition or religion, in who we worship or venerate as deity? In my opinion, people should be free to worship whatever they want if it does no harm to another. If someone want to worship cow crap, feel free, as long as you are not throwing it on me. 3- Seeing that there is no image of God in any religion… Read more »

NuNu
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Goodnight folks!

Cami
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Cami

Ring ding ding ding ding…It’s now 8 pm! Book club is now in session. Good evening all attendees, I’ll be assisting Obara Meji tonight and our dear Ty has lead us off on the topic. We can take a few minutes to review the question posted before tonight, then we can proceed fully.

*Take note: Bloggers and Peepers…this isn’t a Chrisitan base site. Therefore, any offense taken by our open discussion wasn’t deliberate, but that is just the way it read because we aren’t on the same page. Ase.

Toy
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I am here

Ty
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Sorry to get started so early…it is hard for me in the week to get thru the material…after watching the video, I could not help but comment…

Ty
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Ty
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Over 400 years of whipping will make you believe anything…black people will believe anything…that is why even some blacks think they are white…

Ty
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God is energy…omnipotent…that we cannot understand fully…we are however able to tap into portions of this energy thru prayer and meditation…we use deities to try to comprehend portions or aspects of this urn fathomable force ….

Ty
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I do NOT believe in religion…

Ty
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The story of Jesus is great one…it resonates with me because like Jesus, I too am a bastard…

However how his story was used to in doctrinate my ancestors…they were tortured, raped, and killed in his name….

Ty
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To answer the question in the video, I choose the man in the middle, the pic of Jesus…it was that same picture and the one of Mary that made me question my ideas on God, the bible, religion, and spirituality …it was what lead me on this path…

I am no longer Christian but was, and if that picture did not haunt me, I prolly still would be Christian…the man in the picture does not look like me and late at night his eyes would creep me out…

Obara Meji
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Almost every one pick Jesus

Ty
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Well well…” We in the skreets”…. Grung…

Not sure who is my fav character : the first guy, guy in hoodie at 40 min, or the one at 44mon with the blus scarf…lol

Very interesting topic…

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