September 4, 2014 Obara Meji 293Comment

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Good day to all, we will be having our book club discussion this evening beginning at 8 pm. The subject for tonight is posted below,  all who will be apart of tonight’s discussion will be expected to read.  Professor TY, will be the moderator for the evening and for the evenings discussion. She will, when she comes post her own instructions which we will all adhere to. I urge you all that if you have to post any comments not related to this particular post or book club discussion, please make the comments in the post below this one, as I want this board to be for just the discussions only. Last week we had a wonderful time and we learned a lot, we thank Yw who did a fine job, and I also thank you all for being supportive and showing up. We must learn, this is why we are here on this realm and it is to acquire knowledge and also to pass on knowledge. Knowledge is knowledge, so being selective in what you learn is not wise. you will never know when you need to use what you once rejected to know or learn. Let us use this space for all the good that we can, and learn from each other, let us exercise our brains, and whatever we learn from each other, I urge you all to share, pass it on. Post no videos please, so that the weight of them will not interfere with the post tonight

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Esu, a Pataki

There was once two farmers who were best friends since they were children, their family farm were on the opposite side of each other. Every day they would go to farm and then at noon they would take a brake and have lunch and shoot the breeze together. They were as close as two peas in a pod, and even made a covenant that they would be fiends forever, nothing could break their friendship. One day while both were working o the opposite side of the road on their farm Esu (Eh-Shu) walked by, he was wearing a  cap where one side was white and the other side black.One of the farmers saw him first and hailed him , “Ekale ooooo Esu, Ba wo Ni Nko? Good afternoon Esu, how are you, you fine? Esu responded, “Dada ni, mommy nko, daddy nko, oremi nko? is everybody ok?, “Kosi wa hala sah”, no problem sah. and Esu walked on

As he went further down the road, he the other farmer called out smiling and waving, “Esu oooo, ba wo ni oooo, Ekale oooo!, Esu waved back and hailed “Ekale, Ba wo ni?, good afternoon, how are you? to which the farmer responded, “mo wa dada, Esu, se alafia ni!, “I am fine, all is at peace”

Later that day, the two friends sat down together to have lunch as they did everyday since they were children. One asked “did you see Esu today pass in his white cap?

The other answered, “Yes, I saw him pass today, but he wore a black cap”, hey both began correcting each other, both insisting the Esu wore white and the other said he aw black, the argument became heated and turned into a fight, all blood run. The case was brought before the elders. Both were bloodied and bruised, clearly the friendship was over, but while court was in session, both arguing that the other called him a liar, in walked Esu with the cap, painted half white and half black. They were both correct.

I have added this pataki for a reason, in our discussion tonight I will make my reason clear!

A kò gbọdọ̀ torí kòkòrò kó síni lójú, ká wá ki igi bọ ojú náà /
One shouldn’t poke a stick into one’s eye simply because an insect entered it.

[Be moderate; adopt extreme measures with caution]

All religions are valid as long as it teaches peace and love…..Obara Meji!

 

There are no disappointments in life, only lessons learned…..Obara Meji

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Yazzy
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Good Night Obara. Good night Darling Ty! Very lovely discussion and you moderated with such graceful composure. I absolutely loved it.

My apologies my sweetie for not being able to grace the discussion last night as I was at work and mi badi felt like it wasn’t mine when I finally settled in and by this the discussion had ended but it was what I expected it to be- it had your aura all over it.

Thanks for the fasting and prayers for us here today. Altho I didn’t make it last night.. I remember you mentioned you would fast today until noon and so I joined you in fasting and I did for us all (esp you Darling Ty) cah mi know yuh nuh ramp fi fast and pray fi wi suh mi mek sure nuh itch fi return your sweet gestures.

Everyone thanks for the love. Sorry mi wasnt around but unuh know mi eva have unuh close inna mi heart…

I read every comment. .. my fam here is simply the best… smart, passionate about their beliefs… loving… amazing personalities. .. you name it, yall are a great bunch

Ty
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Oh dearest Yazzy yaz, we love everyday and always… We know how it go…we here all the time and we making this a routine now so, we all can pitch in at times…also good seh we can always come back at other times and read…hope you feeling stronger today…love and light…

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Thanks sweeties! Love the tag teaming you and your hubby did. When combined. .. unuh a c-russ power couple. Big ups…

Ty
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Thank you

MTH
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Thank you Ty. have a great weekend yourself. Hi Toy..

Toy
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Morning everyone! Ty I am sorry I wasn’t in attendance last night, but I did come on really late last night and read the post. Ty you did a wonderful job and to all the bloggers your inputs didn’t disappoint. Nunu, Yazzy and everyone else going through a struggle, I pray good remove the clouds and bring you sunshine and peace. Ashe! I am going to read the new post again Ty you did wonderful!

Ty
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Hey toy, no prob…life happens, we get busy….the good thing is that we are able to read even after the discussion…

Ty
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Afternoon everybody…so happy for all of you…I fasted and prayed for you all..enjoy the weekend and let the universe shower you with love…

MTH
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Thanks Cami…Mi a look fi slip out any second yah now run dung a town guh get some vegetables and seasoning.

MTH
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I have read all the comments and can truly say it was a very good discussion. Ty good work. 19 blessings for passing through. YW, TY & Cami thanks the new phrases. YW why your phrases haffi have 2 ‘ch’ and yu know yu sista has a. ‘liss’.

Teach thank you for the forum to learn (be more aware), share, vent, laugh and just have a good time.

Love & light everyone. Have a great Friday…

Cami
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Morning MTH, Love and Light to you too. Enjoy your work day.

MTH
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Yes mi breddren YW you understood my question and answered. Indeed there is power in having sex and abstaining. There is just something so alluring about the body. Many a great men have fallen to the power of women (and lust)…

Even today you have suicide bombers that commit these atrocious acts so that they will be rewarded with 7 virgins in the next life..There is something more to sex than just a release. (Ok, continuing my read)…

MTH
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Morning guys, Iam terribly sorry that I could not have been a part of the very lovely discussion. I have started reading the comments and I am throughly enjoying it.

Ty
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Good night everyone…

Ty
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Thank you everyone for coming, sharing, and chatting…I had a blast…

I look forward to the movie and discussion with Cami moderating next week…

I urge everyone to give it a try…you learn a lot with others…

I am going to give it a try to write a blog contribution next week and also urge you all to give it a try too…we are all learning, laughing, and sharing…

Thanks Obara…

Cami
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ah, ah…Learning, Laughing, Crying and Sharing.

Cami
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Obara, me going to read today’s post. Good Night. This was a smooth topic, I believe Ty accomplished her goal because we touched upon bits of the previous 2 materials.

NuNu
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Mi mumma!!! Mi did haffi rally back fi si di picha Ty put uppa top!!

Cami
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DWLN! NuNu!

Ty
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I will be reading today’s post tomorrow and will leave some comments… I read it and so much to think about and say…

Ty
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Good night Yw and Nunu…

Nunu, no bother dash weh di ohone…

Yw
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Aright…mi gawn a mi bed now. Thank you all for another amazing discussion and great night….

NuNu
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Good night people! This a pieca phone deh frustrate mi, suh mi deh retire before mi get bex an dash it whe. Are we doing anything tomorrow?

Cami
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Night NuNu, patience (Orunmila). Btw, big up yu mum. See you in the morrows.

Ty
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Cami and Obara see a pic here
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Cami
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Magnificent piece of carving! lolol….de man need not to be unda it so, dwlnnnnnnnnnn It all removable! Obara!!!! bout yu sass crisse, Esuuu, lolololllllllll magnificent in deed.

I wonder which proud tourist have it at her house? lol

Ty
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Grung…

Cami
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Ty, earlier we mentioned symbols and pride. I LOVE how Chinese dem have dem little alters in their place of business and WE ‘fraid fi put up and display ours as we please!

Ty
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True, even when dem Christian…di Chinese dem have dem altar pon di ground and wear dem jade Buddha jewelry pon a red string…

Yw
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All when dem enter dem house dem light one incense and put by the picture an honour them ancestors. You have to respect that

Cami
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Jews have dem mezuzah at dem door way…and western hemisphere Blacks have nothing cause we fraid a john tom mouth…not I

Ty
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Cami, I have my altar up…braps… As you open my front door, it deh there…I am proud of it…I knock it, I ring my bell, I light my candles, feed my ancestors….

Ty
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Night Kiab, thanks for coming and sharing…

kiabubblez
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Good night i enjoyed. Ina di lights people

Cami
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Good night Kia.

Yw
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Night, Night Kia B

Yw
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chance, opportunity, choice…

Ty
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I like…keep them coming

Ty
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Let me coin a new phrase…following Obara…

Word, sound, power…

Sight, perception, free will

Feel free to add your own…

Cami
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I’m lisp so dem yah good enough fi now, Ty. lol

Yw
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Chance and choice is for you…

Ty
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I hope that everyone gets a go to a bring a book or article to the book club and moderating..it is a lot of fun and stimulating

NuNu
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Yes it is Ty, I enjoyed it

Ty
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Good night Courtney…thanks for coming

Courtney
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Good night all

Cami
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Good night, Courtney, Nyah, Yazzy (hope you alright), Lalibela, Toy, AMH, and all who gone a bed already or missing.

Yw
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Night Courtney. Sleep well…

Ty
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“…Revolts must come in order to have progress, which is why
questioning must continue.”

i do believe this to be true…

Ty
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MTH, i have often questioned why slavery happened and its purpose…i must admit I cannot see the big picture…many will say that is was a way to sow mama Africa’s seeds to foreign lands, to establish her children elsewhere…other will say it build new countries and continents…

some may say that it brought slaves closer to God, for they lost all but GOD…

when i say my ibas and honor my ancestors, i call on all before me who endured slavery and I sometimes tear up…

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I feel you on this, I have thought and prayed for the answer as well. I still am on not clear on it, when I think I got it I come up with more questions. I have heard that some people choose to captured and get on the ships so they can help people once they got to the americas. My heart hurts when I think of that. That much suffering, abuse it is overwhelming. THEN I see people acting stupid now and I am like do you know what had to happen for your ancestors to make it here, to choose to live, to choose to give birth to you knowing what your life could be. I totally feel you, it hurts, it hurts sometimes like it just happened yesterday.

Cami
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me bug eye pon de god closer ting! As if god neva did de a Africa to,lolol

Cami
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Ty, I think you need regression therapy. Since you feeling the after effects as “Raw” you a reincarnation new…whey yu say O?

Ty
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Have thought about that too… Problem is that not sure how hypnosis affects you after you wake up…

Ty
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I just listed the many arguments I have heard…

I think it may have been to remind us of the evils that exist and that man can do really evil things….

I wish I had an answer, I still struggle with it, the pain still raw for me…

Ty
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MTH, i think that pg7, paragraph one reinterates the fact that we have free will…many things can weaken our spiritual and psychological powers…

Ty
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Questions from Mth, emailed to me earlier in case she could not get connected

1.Pg 7 the first paragraph spoke about giving into sexual desires. I have linked it somewhat to David and Bathsheba. My question is can one do things to weaken their spiritual & psychological powers…(Just renforce the point of not sleeping around as you transfer a part of your being to your partner)…

2. Pg7 last paragraph, When present stability is disturbed that we can move forward else we stagnate and die..Revolts must come…continue. I have liken Hitler and his terror to society as a was that we have progressed, how we have moved forward…My question could slavery be seen as something that made the world progress?

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I think for # 1, this is what MTH is asking about: “…runs counter to traditional African wisdom, which insists on broad spectrum abstinence as a prelude to the performance of major ritual duties.” – In my opinion, there is power (careful of this one) in abstaining and in sex…it is all a matter of what you are trying to do. The same can be said psychologically.

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Exactly. Remember last week, Obara did a talk bout lileth and her effects through sex? Sex is a power all by itself because it carries emotions that are ecstatic, weakening, maddening, stressful, joyous, hungry (lol), thirsty (lol) and all kind of changes.

Ty
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And oohhh what a mighty power it is…

Ty
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lol…since we talking about that…

let us explore MTH’s questions…

Cami
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MTH (in absence) I would equate this to the same reason my long ago boyfriend who loved playing soccer wouldn’t make love to me before a game. He said” man can’t a have sex before game or during training because it zaps his stamina”.

I felt like Delilah cause I was always plotting on how to get some, but he was disciplined…in this story, Elesin Oba lacks discipline and has polluted himself. The Samson and Delilah story seems to be inline with this story.

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I thought it meant Like one has to be clean of sex before going to the ritual. But i also understand that ppl should not give themselves away so freely as a part of yu gets subtracted spirirually during sex.

Yw
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Sorry Ms. Moderator (like Janet said; add a Ms. if yu…well yu get di idea)

Yw
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mother F**Ker….Teach doan sey dat…mi fadda is one, an me to..

NuNu
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Detention room right now yw! Mi not even a write up di slip!!!

Cami
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lol, last time him mek yu have fi straighten u sash, till yu heng it up! dwln

Cami
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GRUNG!!!!!! TY! take why Yw keyboard till me get up back off a de grung!!!!

kiabubblez
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The story about the minstrels reminded me of the bible story where they had the coins. Bible writers took nuff stories n added twist to them. Lol

Cami
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lol, you notice! Can you imagine how much “fillers” dem put in when they ran out of things to write?

These men were the first journalist/scribes and even today date we have issues with their reporting skills. Imagine which ones would write for Cnn and faux news today? lolol All a gwan me and Psalms a friend.

kiabubblez
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Lol them woulda make real good faux news reporters.

Ty
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Me too cami, I love psalms…worse when I light a candle wid it…lol

Ty
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see a quote ya: “If our writers write of, and for us, do our critics practice their art of
criticism in our interest?”

Cami
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Ty, more like a quiz question. Answer is no, it’s in the critics favor/interest.

Yw
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Ah Dat…

kiabubblez
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Nunu that coarse hair is a blessing ma it tuff yes but it can withstand nuff lol…im natural for bout 3 years. I love it!

Courtney
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Me three. Easy as 1 2 3 if you don’t love you who will?! Proud natural I can’t wait till my fro grow big and obnoxious!!

kiabubblez
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Girl big n obnixous is nuff WORK!!! lool

kiabubblez
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Nunu loving ones self is hard at times. It takes some time but be easy on ur self. I came to realize that this me was the only me i would ever get. Slowly i learned ti love it

Ty
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tonight we are here blogging, chatting, bringing our passions, life and many roads to a common crossroads…

Ty
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I love that the author states: “Esu “does not see into the hearts of men,/Only their actions.”

it reinforces that he is devoid of emotions…

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And with that…it renders that european bible devil/fiend as nonsense because the scriptures states that lucifer/devil/satan is JEALOUS. Esu has no emotions to conjure up jealousy.

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Lolololol Cami mi nuh walk an look raggedy!!! Hell no! I look after my hair but yuh know the whole good hair/bad hair mentality, texture wise

Ty
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good pint, i gonna use this one Cami… di bible beaters dem love argue wid me…

Cami
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*it renders the comparison to the…*

Ty
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Nunu it took generations of religious, psychological, and mental slavery to get us here…be gentle with yourself…it will unravel

NuNu
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Mi cyaan play hypocrite I deal with “self hate” issue, it is a struggle but I am making strides

Yw
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Real talk doh NuNu, nuff respect fi sey dat. It tek a lot to say that

Courtney
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You are beautifully and wonderfully made nunu *hugs*

Courtney
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Perfect sense nunu!

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Logging off 🙁 I have enjoyed learning 😀 Be well everyone

Yw
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Great to have you here and please, please come again. You add a great deal to the ES family.

Ty
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Nite sweet Nyaha…so glad to have u…

Courtney
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You to hun

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The line that says, ” if a knowledge must be carried forward something must come and disturb the present stability. .else we stagnate and die. Revolt must come in order to have progress. Can’t we look at that as speaking to an “internal revolution” as well. After examining ourselves , we have to ‘overcome’ ourselves and that is the self/ outlook that was created by the indoctrination/conditioning/conformity that impacted us negatively. Each person is responsible to deal with those issues before moving towarda progress. Dat mek sense?

Ty
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I could see what you are saying Nunu and it goes with what Nyaha said above, we all are dealing with our insecurities…

All di white dem now want black features, big batty, big hips…dem know something…lol…we need to embrace our blackness

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But TY, nu so the African Venus de milo shape? lol Hence, the art works of a counterpart coming out of a shell.

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I believe we all suffer from the disease of self hate, it shows its “face” (the symptoms you have it) many ways but the illness is the same no matter the country.

Courtney
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Agreed the bleaching epidemic is one that saddens me daily. I know a woman who has started bleaching her young daughter from age seven. Has her routine set to go to the fridge and put on her cream!! I pray for the babies

Ty
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Sass crisse

Courtney
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We in the Bahamas are disconnected also. Because of our close proximity to America we do not have strong ties to Africa or it’s traditions. We have undercurrents but we have a long way to go.

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Courtney, I can’t get over the fact that Bahamas have no go zone restrictions at the casino…as the average citizens this is not fi onu benefit but for that of the elites!

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We, people of African descent and Black people globally (Australians, people from Fiji, Vanuatu etc) have been force feed so much negativity about who we are and our culture that some of us choose to believe it and separate ourselves from it. Like the pataki above, one side is trying to say we are this and the other side is saying no we are that.

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Agree with that Nyaha…

Ty
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Nyaha a true…a pure conflicting things dem a teach and preach to we…the teachers a tell my boys dem brown, not black…lol

in some southern states the one drop rule still exists…one drop a black and you black… most of us of african descent will tell you bout we irish, italian etc ancestry but cannot point out ethiopia on a map…worse tell you we african lineage 7 generations back..

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Hi Nyaha i agree

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I think that there is a disconnect from Africa and being African. Even in the continent.

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Correct and we the exportation of the American capitalise/urban culture to blame for that.

Ty
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Nyaha, i agree..I have met africans who do not embrace Africa..o ma se o

Nyaha
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Yes, I am from Africa and when I go home I meet and have conversations with lots of them.

Ty
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I must go to Africa…and when i do, i will have to learn the language, culture and traditions…

there are many who have the same slavery background as me and have no thought of Africa..they believe all that they see on tv and embrace their white lineage..

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You speaking of the crowthers? lolol. Such persons went to Spain and Portugal and assisted in the indoctrination of slavery. So, I have never solely blamed our white, human counterparts for the middle passage. These confuse black clergies speak of easter events and deny the existence of duppy. They speak of ridding people of the devil and then call it nonsense, here you have one that equated Esu with the devil of european beliefs…insulting much!

Ty
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Cami, a dat mek mi run from Christianity…

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Ty, me notice that the author…again, jump pass Haitian and Jamaica freedom fighters to mention Malcolm x and rah…Martin and Malcolm x was a “mouth” fighter not a revolutionist to me. Che and Fidel draw blood and that is true revolution fighters to me. Me a nit pik…lol

Ty
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Mi love you Cami…you a mi doops…i saw that too…

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True Ty today i said to a guy yes we African americans this idiot start cuss me bout he not african n he never been to no Africa. O ma se! my heart cries for him but it is a blockage in his mind that he has to remove

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I met a guy from Ghana while in the US and he said that a white guy asked him if he used to race cheetahs for fun…Mi nah lie when im tell mi mi laugh. I then told him about when I first came from JA and a yute ask if I played soccer wid coconuts – to which I laughed also (rass people fool yu si; all mi can do is laugh). The point is that there is an idea here that anything not American is not good but I always ask what is Amercan? Last I check is a stolen continent…

Yw
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Nuh True. Mi ah talk to one man di odda day and ‘im sey im never leave the states but is all for Israel…Mi sey: “ehm, tek care. goodbye”

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lolol, today dem a pay good money fi attempt fi race a cheetah! a***h****s. I remember dem ringingaround me in the school yard a ask if me come pon boat, fool fool me a say no a plane…not one a dem ever tek plane much less go out a JFK inna dem life, lol

Ty
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Grung…so true…some never even leave dem state…lol

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Kia (hugs) but as me reside in the US you cannot call me African American. Me is black and of Jamaican nationality. I take offense to that AA title. Black Americans should not have taken that title, again my opinion.

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Ty, me will accept black or Jamaican because it encompass all a me. Kia! nu like black? You going have to moderate a discussion or a book club pon dah one de.

I guess it should just be Americans cause everywhere else people state Nationality and not anything in addition. Hence, my belief that having African attached creates exclusion in a country that you were born into…birth right.

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No offense Cami i dont like the word black tho our colors are to vast for that word.

Ty
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Cami some african american will tell you seh as a jcan you not african american…me get dat already…lol

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