Tonight for our book club discussion we have a very heavy topic to deal with, and for all week we have been dealing with topics which were very deep also. Today I will go light or perhaps try to. I will not write too much on this topic, but with what little I will write today, I ask for all participants in the days discussion to tell their own feelings or thoughts upon the titled topic, Forgiveness. Have you done it, can you do it, what is forgiveness to you?
When I went through all that I had been through with family and the Wicked baby father, so called friends and others, and I moved on from them and have even cut them off, most of them I should say (parents are not completely cut off). I never put it in thought that I had forgiven them. I thought that life and for the survival of my mind, my mental well being, forced me to keep it moving and not to stay angry and bitter.
There were times feeling angry and bitter and hurt felt so good. Hating the enemy and feeling resentment against them, wishing them all evil and having evil thoughts against them were comforting to the soul and spirit and warming to the heart. Having someone “Talk” to you, begging you to let it go and forgive, often times became a nuisance to the mind consumed with hate and revenge. The need to stay bitter and angry was greater than the need to calm down or be calmed down. There are times, bitterness felt/feels good, but how do you go on or move forward when you keep remembering and not letting go of the pain which another did to you or did to someone for you, someone you love?
When my first child, a girl, which I had for the Big Bad Wolf, read here was five years old, I had gotten a call while at work from my parents, who were babysitting for me at the time, telling me that I needed to come home because my daughter was having a asthma attack. I was living with the wicked baby father and had a son for him at the time, (His first child, my second). I called him before I left work, he had the boy with him while I was at work, but no answer. I hurriedly left work and headed for my parents home to pick up my child to take her to the hospital. My parents met me at the doctors office with her, it was October but the winter was in a hurry to come, so that day was very windy and extremely cold.
I took her in to see her Pediatrician, but was told that her attack was severe so I should immediately take her to the emergency room. I called Sir wickedness again and he answered, I told him where I was and to hurry and come, I was crying by this, worried for my child, she could barely stand (these memories are hard for me). There I stood on the sidewalk of the doctors office, amidst strong cold wind, which howled and sang and whistled, this was about seven o’clock in the evening, with a child who struggled to breathe, my heart pounding, trying to hail a taxi while waiting for “HIM” to come, but no taxi stopped for me. I was scared for my child and praying that I got to the emergency room in time.
He came, pulled up in his Black car, he had my son in the front seat with him, I hurriedly lifted my daughter and ran to open the car door, it was locked. I pounded on the glass, the wind had picked up speed and developed teeth which seemed to bite into my skin, while kissing my cheeks with cold lips, as I shouted for him to unlock the door. He rolled down the window and told me no, he would not take us to the hospital, and he drove off.
He drove off! The mother F***er drove off!!…. God was good and a man stopped, a taxi and took us to the emergency room, she was admitted and spent five days in the hospital. I told everyone what he did, most people were shocked, but interestingly when I told his father, who according to his bitch of a mother was/is the exact thing as his wicked son, when he was younger, age had quelled him a bit, the father told me straight up, he said that he did not believe that his son could do something like that. I asked him if he was calling me a liar, he said no, but he refused to believe it, and that was it he would say no more. Is whey dem people deh did come from. They are both alive,the old crow and de husband.
I have already told you here on Embracing spirituality that if I were to tell all that I suffered at the hands of the “wicked baby father”, my words could fill a collection of encyclopedias, the books would be that thick, and I probably still would not be done. If I should do the same of how my parents treated me (the good years were in Jamaica) the mal treatment came after we migrated, then I could fill a library, maybe I am exaggerating, who the hell knows, but I certainly been through a lot. My sisters took advantage of the fact that the parents had no love for me and “they” did their wickedness also, the wicked baby father’s, equally wicked and cruel mumma, (I cannot call her a mother, it feels too decent for her, although she was a good one to some of her children I suppose, some ah de oddas have some stories), did her own share of cruel acts against me and she had spawned she and he devils children all born with pitch fork, tail and all!
The wicked man’s mother had an interesting story amid her evil character. (Please somebody help me stop writing, I promised I would not write for long, but the memories keep coming!), she was treated very badly by her wicked mother who had her living for years under the cellar, she developed asthma under there, and had two children while living under that very cellar. Her mother lived to be over a hundred and she never forgave her!
Yet, when I and her son parted ways, and things were tough for me, she would tell her son not to give me anything, and if we asked for food she told him to buy food only for the children, make sure nothing was there, none there for me to eat from, (I am in tears now Y’all!) The memories, the memories!! Yazzy, you will read this whole entire post!
Now, listen here, listen here! I am not seeking pity in telling my story, nor do I want you to cry or feel sorry for me (aldoe me ah cry), I have since gotten over that and them. Believe me when I say that I am over all that they did to me, over it I am! I have gotten the spiritual answer as to why I had to go through these things, I am alive and well, and I nor my children saw “devastation” out of what we went through! I am free from them all, and I am happier than them all, I truly am!
The pain which they inflicted on me, all of them, that hurt while I was going through it, I now process differently in hindsight. I have forgiven them all.>>>>> Breakesssss!!!!!!!!!>>Forgive them as in none of them are in my life, I have no relationship with any of these people, except my parents which I refuse to cut off, because I love them despite all I went through with them, but I really deal with them from afar. I find that when I am around my parents, I feel less than myself, I am uncomfortable, and I feel tears prick my eyes ever so often while I am around them, Often times I gaze far away, and memories come rushing back, like high tide at the sea shore. So I stay away from them, I stay away.
From Wikipedia;
Forgiveness is the intentional and voluntary process by which a victim undergoes a change in feelings and attitude regarding an offense, lets go of negative emotions such as vengefulness, with an increased ability to wish the offender well. Forgiveness is different from condoning (failing to see the action as wrong and in need of forgiveness), excusing (not holding the offender as responsible for the action), pardoning (granted by a representative of society, such as a judge), forgetting (removing awareness of the offense from consciousness), and reconciliation (restoration of a relationship).
“lets go of negative emotions such as vengefulness”, This part of the definition is how I feel, along with dismissing them from my mind, I am numb to them, I have no feeling toward them, no hate, or love, like, or dislike, no feeling at all, but if they were hungry I would feed them, naked I would clothe them, mi nuh sure bout de shelter, probably but not in my house! I am no saint, but I do have compassion, compassion over load, and I believe that it is my compassion that has brought me this far. When you pray, pray for compassion!
I have no idea if all which I have let go of was voluntary, or I just moved ahead and let them all behind me, perhaps something inside of me healed my mind and cleanse it from becoming bitter. Again, I have no feelings for them, other than that I do not want them in my space ever again. I am done with them, numb to them. People asked me why I never took the wicked man to child support court, and I say, I wanted no part of him, none at all, so child support court to me, meant interaction at some point or the other with him, and I did not want that. I settled for peace of mind and God did the rest.
I will not give a speech on forgiveness, I want us talk about it today, so as usual read my story, add yours if you have one and let us reason on the topic of forgiveness, how do you feel about it, can you do it, how often have you forgiven and do you believe you can!
Tí ìtàkùn bá pa ẹnu pọ̀, wọ́n a mú erin so. /
If creeping plants could unite, they’ll easily tie up an elephant…..yoruba Proverb!
[Together, we can do more; there’s no telling what can be achieved with unity.]
All religions are valid as long as it teaches peace and love…..Obara Meji!
There are no disappointments in life, only lessons learned…..Obara Meji
TEach, Ifeel the pain you feel when you mentioned that the Wicked Baby father did not assist with your daughter. I know most parents do everything in their power to protect their children. Many would even taken on death to save/protect their child/children… The reason I can understand the pain, is that I have experienced something simillar. It was in the dead of winter (February) and my daughter she just turned 7. We had only left Jamaica 2 months before so the sub zero temp was something new for my daughter. Long story short, my daughter got sick, the school… Read more »
Damn cold brute!!!
Dem ppl here mek mi get so bringle. No matter how much I despise a person, once it comes to kids, mi mind automatically change.
Obara, di amount ah wicked things mi tink bout whey mi wudda do fi yuh animal, mi neva waa type them, worse mi did ah feel very cross already
Obara, can you continue this discussion tomorrow? Was busy and just finished reading. This topic is so deep and touched mi nerve.
I will be back in a little while
Kia we ova book club ooooo!
Goodnight folks!
grungggg, Ty sey sheeda elbow him inna him throat, lololol, yes Ty elbow de germz buckit!
Hey Courtney!
Tyyyyyy, had graced us with her presence!, Hey Tyyyyy!
Evening everyone…was peeping at work…catching up now…
Evening Ty OOOO
Lmaooo, mi cannot manij Cami enuh man!
Hey New Name!
Hello peeps.
I am here. Going to go read
New Name…ray in the evening fading sunlight. Welcome
Is alright Cami boo, mi fihgive yuh lol
Fi wha? lol The rain just done fall and it a get dark so for me you are a ray of light (hug).
Kia, you can, like me, release the offender and let them go, do not have notheing to do with them! I am not with forgiveness like the christians do, forgive you, hug you, feed you, be in your space, no that I will not do My forgiveness is to release all emotions, feelings, resentment, dislike etc that I may have for you to the point of you do not exist to me, yet if I see you drowning in quick sand, I will throw a rope *for some, I cannot truthfully say here for all* and assist you, but after… Read more »
“release the offender and let them go” A don’t know why they keep on wanting to embrace and roast marshmallows together or clink glasses lol,
Obara no resentment or nothing.they are released. I aint communicating with them probably not throwing no line either. Lol
Same with Nigeria, except they will give several chances chances before they take to another lever, and I do mean several, I am amazed at their ability to forgive, amazed!
brb
Ase!! Nyaha, let me just add a little
Forgiveness is not for the other person(s), Forgiveness is for YOU!
Hear me out good people. Let me conjure up an old woman sitting on a stool with a lappa (African fabric cloth wrapped around your waist) on. This woman is a wise woman and has lived many many years, she has seen and experienced lots of life and shares her message directly (no filler) LOL. Think, imagine this woman as you read this lol. Your body holds on to what you think, eat, say etc. It is your parents thoughts, food, dna and their parents and their parents. Your organs hold on to different emotions and in additional to their… Read more »
I really like this, Nyaha, and do believe that negative emotions can (if not DO) lead to illnesses, such as cancer, but I ask you: Do you like everyone you meet? If you do not like someone, do you hold resentment towards them?
The body will not hold on: to what it doesn’t know about or what was rejected before being ingested. So, no matter how it’s turn, forgiveness isn’t a tool for some people; no weights being lugged around because the offended could careless about the existence of the offender. All that is known is that one being won’t get an opportunity to re-offend and that is the fuel that burns in some people’s life’s engine. For instance, I can retell all the stories about a violator, but that don’t mean they are of any burden to me. I’ve come to terms… Read more »
Your point well taken Yw! In Africa if someone offends, the whole family and even friends will come old and young and lay on the ground and beg, including the offender, they will sometimes slap the offender while beggin the offendee to forgive
If we drive on the road and a police stop us to give a ticket, sometimes if you humble yourself and beg the officer ten times out of ten he will let you go with a warning, this is how they do in Nigeria, is it like this in Kenya Nyaha?
We, unfortunately, are not that culturally grounded. People do take offenses very seriously. If someone is begging (and they are serious like how you mentioned) it is very very very rare for someone not to forgive or at least say it. The notion of forgiveness is serious one. If someone offends again, the whole community is within its rights to punish the person (and the formal law, usually does nothing about the justice carried out. Meaning they step aside and just let it be. So if someone was beaten, killed whatever the law will not step in).
So this shows that repeat offenders may not be forgiven but punished….it depends on the severity of the offense, the repetition, etc….
exactly Obara Meji.
I forgive, but I do not believe that God has any emotions, so I have ruled forgiveness out as relative to God, but I do believe it is better to forgive and move on than stay bitter and let the pain stay raw, unable to heal!
Nyaha not being able to forgive prevents growth
In Africa, I ask someone why do Africans forgive when offended and the Offender come and kneel or lay down and beg and he answered;
Look how bad human beings are, and God forgives, then why can’t we!
“…Offender come and kneel or lay down and beg ” – this is critical. If a person does not seek forgiveness or is unrepentant how can they be forgiven?
peeping before I head out again.
For the ones who it applies to; Why is it so difficult to forgive or to say you forgive?
It is the offense. Not everything can be forgiven and everyone has their “thing” that is unforgivable.
Nyaha, are you saying that you will forgive ANYTHING that someone else may do to you?
@Nyaha: I think I just read how you view forgiveness and I think that is where the controversy lies. Some think of forgiveness as an internal thing and some think of it as an external thing. It is a perspective thing… For me, I can hold no resentment towards someone but keep them out of my life. To some that is forgiveness but to others it is not…..
Me answer this question already.
yes, Yw, because the word Devil does not exist in the Yoruba language!
one day I had gotten a phone call that he had bought his wicked ooman a car, we had parted ways some months prior, this was a time when I had to send the two small children to Jamaica with the Nanny and even food was hard to find, but we found it day by day. When the phone call came, in, I broke down, I had been holding it for a while, my nerves was hell When I heard, i began to bawl, holla, scream, and I fell on the ground and begged God to let them crash and… Read more »
I definitely feel that because similar things have happen to me. For me, after the “petition”(s) (because that is what I believe it is) I tried to take it back (like you) because I did not want what they did to mold me into anything close to what I thought they were. Meaning: I did not want their actions to make me be less that I wanted to be….
Hey Teach, when I first heard that the concept of plagiarism did not exist in Nigeria (I believe) because the view is that no idea is original, it blow my mind; Mi always wondered about that and had a hard time with that concept as well. Then when mi come cross the Universal Consciousness thing, mi sey look at that…Mi bring this up fi show you the culture part. Some words we use don’t even exist in some languages. Dat must lead to likkle confusion.
I was bitter toward hi for a very long time Yw, here is a story for you, I am typing it anmi slow, hold on deh!
Reading and catching up. My absence earlier was unavoidable…
well Cami, it goes with what i always say Good and Bad toe the same line, lolol
yuh call him person, when ah sub human dat crosses is!
When people do sometings they strip themselves of a bit of their humanity. How mi class creatures like that? But then now, I ask you (and do, mi beg yu, no offense) would you say you forgive HIM with all the negativity he rightly deserves.
DWLN!
watch yah, I ago look my dinna and get ready fi onu tinight…then again me soon come, lol
Ah true mi ah sing: “Baby come back…” but wid my voice, yu liable fi run double time..
Cami run TRIPLE time to rahtid. Need likkle lime fi mi throat. Ele sey it good fi di voice…
Mi haffi seh, Teach, that person was evil. Mi caan call im man but is sickness that.
I know, mi really did ah ramp wid yuh, lol
but who have time fi ah analyze every word?
No, is not to analyze the word but to understand the intent… Then if I can improve myself in that, then I can get my message across more effectively..
Answer…US on this board, lolol. Yw, I was going to approach the vocabulary Obara put in the postings when I first posted, but back off it…so you with it now. Yes, it’s perception mingled with “culture, upbringing, past usage of the words”…look at my interpretation from the get go and see how everyone else distinguished the concept of that word. To me is the same like moral…what is good in one nation is bad in another.
Obara & Cami, I haffi read the post dem through. I did want to post because is nuff in this but mi nuh wah read them now because unno deh bout. Wi have to set up a triangular talk (u si it? lol) one day…
Nuh worry, Teach. Mi read the blog in entirety but usually I read all the comments too but did not get the chance today.
Language is a very trickey ting…Not because a word have a dictionary meaning mean sey that is how people using the word. That mean seh, when someone sey something, the words have to be assessed for intent and not for what I think the word means……
Then yu add culture, upbringing, past usage of the words…..complicated….
hey Yw, you may be right, the Forgiveness is a matter of perception?, is that what you are saying my good man?
mi sey how mi know sey yuh bredda ooda draw yuh back home, lmaooooo……an ah same suh yuh draw him in ei nuh, lolololoonuh ah fambily fi choot!
Yes man, mi good as Gold, you?
Mi glad to hear that. I can ask a favour? Drink likkle tea for me tonight please. Jus’ ah ask…
Not really, Yw, for me forgiveness, is releasing any contempt or negative feeling I have against you, and also having absolutely nothing to do with you. It is closing the door to you existence for me, yet still what I suffered at your hands, I have learned from it and moved away from it!
You may be right but it how you define forgiveness. To me the internal process of releasing resentment is not forgiveness. It has nothing to do with the offending party. It is how I choose to deal with the pain and betrayal inflicted by another…
1. “Having someone “Talk” to you, begging you to let it go and forgive, often times became a nuisance to the mind consumed with hate and revenge. The need to stay bitter and angry was greater than the need to calm down or be calmed down. There are times, bitterness felt/feels good, but how do you go on or move forward when you keep remembering and not letting go of the pain which another did to you or did to someone for you, someone you love?” Betrayal is difficult to overcome. You have to think of the depth of the… Read more »
Yw! de Obara know me,,,choooo. Parri yes, the wanna be peace makers only intensify the matter. Treachery/betrayal comes in 2 degrees to me. Small and fool fool move of utterance; then you have the grand daddy level that could cause/or almost cost you your life or something of great value as far as life is concern. I would pardon the lesser but would never seek to remedy the latter.
I too cannot see the forgive, yet can’t forget…impossible. I will tell you that it hard for me to forget so the forgiveness kinda hard to come by, lolololl
Cami Cams!! I think I can forgive but not forget because, to me, when I forgive I am giving you another chance. Hear this definition of love: Giving (or allowing) someone the power or ability to hurt you but having faith that they will not….Although, mi nuh know if this is trust….but trust and love suh close…..I sooo confuseeee…heetee
heeeee, both a dem cold if dem get activated incorrectly, teee
HeeTee. yu mean heat?
Yw greetings If I forgive someone of something I am saying that I am giving them another chance to remain in or as a part of my life…dat make sense. Thats why mi naaaaaah forgive. Smh
Nyaha yu meet ur father n blew up. Understandable… the offense is fresher when u see the offender. For me, i dont want see, talk to, smell, or nothing. It may turn violent n why must i put my good up self ina dat sh*tuation. Lol nopessss
bout yuh gone go rest, YW, DEH BOUT, YUH PARRING P!!!
Cami yuh fenneh, si de big man forward yah, so mi know yuh nah go no whey guh rest, lolololol
Yw welcome home!!!!
Obara Meji!!! Unno know sey mi have some tings ah do but mi haffi stop in…You doing good?
You know this is where my heart is..
Good Afternoon Obara Meji, Cami and the rest of the board of trustees, the administrators, the prefects, the moderators, the peepers, the fans, and….well you get the picture. Mi have to read and post, read and post because this contain nufffff… “Forgiveness is the intentional and voluntary process by which a victim undergoes a change in feelings and attitude regarding an offense, lets go of negative emotions such as vengefulness, with an increased ability to wish the offender well.” – If you accidentally bounce me, I can forgive that; If you purposely bounce me, I may forgive that; Some actions… Read more »
ok cami
Yu nah go rest up too?
Obara be back later. Kia and Yazzy nu badda disappear go do the gym early. Yw, a Master of ceremony tonight.
Where is our Nunu!
Cami yuh have de detention slips, nunu getting it this time!
Mek she tan de cause YW will issue she de whole book if she late tonight! lol
Yes, Nyaha come back, tonight gonna be very deep!
logging off for now. Will make an effort to be here tonight
Yes, Nyaha come back later…self esteem death and revival up in yah!
And Cami, mi Spirit show me sey yuh is a loyal and good friend enuh, ah swear, i si you as de tell it like it is type with no malice or cruel intentions!
de weed, buss de case, lmaooooo!
Ah, yu notice? lol. As for the herb, the herb, the herb!
Me going to retain me energy fi later
Kia I hear you. If I may, let me say forgiving someone doesn’t mean you forget what happened. It doesn’t mean that you agree with what they did. It doesn’t give the person an excuse for doing it. Forgiving means you have let it go, that thing that person did does not bother you. Forgiving is for you NOT for them (in my opinion). It sounds like you forgive your friend (meaning you let it go) AND you have not forgotten. That is why, to me not knowing you and too much about the situation, you let her go and… Read more »
Nyaha i see ur point. However mi naaaah forget. I havent forgiven her either just remove her from my mind. Outa sight, outa mind. No dwellings pon shi n the one sided friendship. she will never get a chance to reconcile with me that i can guarantee.
Damn right Cami O!
Ase Yazzy Yaz ((((((((HUGGSSS))))))))!
Kia, and old Jamaican Proverb says “Soup nuh good ah mawnin, it cyaan good ah evening”….some people cannot change so its best leave them alone!
lolololollll De soup sour before the fire died under the pot.
Yes Obara agreed…learn from it! Learn who you are, what you like, don’t like, your strengths, weakness, any and everything you can…..
Hey Kia…..Yazzy, I see your point!
Nayaha and everyone remember;
There are NO disappointments in life, only lessons learned!
we should ask ourselves what am I to learn from this situation/man/woman/stranger/newborn/child/circumstances, always, we must try to find the lesson of life while we are passing through here!
Hello good people wooooo forgiveness hmmm recently talked with someone about why i ain’t forgiving no offenses to me. why should i?! they meant to hurt me. i remove myself from them and never talk to them again. I will not dwell on their offense but forgive n forget it is not in me. I can’t dwell on it because then it gives them power over me. Cami i can relate….I will pretend that the offender don’t exist. But mind you… if they were on fire I would wish that water never reach them. lololol a suh mi tan My… Read more »
dwln, whappon Kia…had one like that for years, dumped her fake a**s in mid 2010 after 8 years of false friendship. I called her one saturday I was under me herb, cleaning down my entertainment cabinet, lol…I said “look here! I can’t tek this one person friendship…so don’t call back me phone and pretend yu nu see me when you sight me”. Phone hang up and that was that. Some one told me she was spotted some place at a funeral and bout she wanted to call me…call who? That friendship I went above and beyond with and the last… Read more »
Cami lawd gawd dem wicked eeh unda yu herb loool. how dare she bout trip. She lucky kmt
Nyaha, God is truly amazing, why? because at the end of the day, we all have a conscience, we may swat our ears, or try not to listen to it, but it never goes away!
Often times, there are good reasons for someone doing something others may not agree with, even they themselve may not know why we do the things we do, we are never alone, and our actions are not just propelled by us always, circumstances makes ways for certain decisions! Our ORI (our head, our inner consciousness)I, is itself a divinity, perhaps our greatest one!,
I really feel the need to stress the point about forgiveness. In one of the videos (with the older white lady I think her name is Delores) she mentioned about anger and holding on to it leading to cancer. That is some real world stuff, we hold on to negative emotions (sometimes forgetting where it started) and get physically sick. Worse yet, we pass the sickness on and our children and children’s children inherit it . It is not worth it, just let it go.
In Jamaica we say “yu tan de nhame up yu self” (stay making your self sick).
Nyaha thanks for sharing, wow, he let what you did consume him, two wrong do not make it right!
For sure. I learned that it was consuming me too. I so badly wanted to be forgiven I wasn’t seeing how he dragging me in misery.
but yuh know what Yazz, he taught me how to fight, and be strong, and to take no more abuse and to recognize abuse, he taught me how to stand strong against all odds, and even when I had no one! My mother taught me to protect my children and to love them and care for them, listen to them and keep them close, she taught me how to be strong and survive off nothing without being taken advantage of, my mother taught me a lot My children gave me love, they made me know that I was worthy of… Read more »
ASE!
Obara that’s why I love the saying that from a concrete, who knew flowers could grow. Di most despicable human weh show up inna yuh life left you with the most amazing blessings in your life… your kids, your courage and your identity (Obara Meji)!!!!
F&k him! Just when him tink him did all powerful and did a do di using and di abusing.. a God use di piece a shit (manure) mek yuh soil fertile fi yuh PROFOUND garden of roses and love weh a harvest and yuh shall reap from!! ASE!
Talking about forgiveness, I have to admit I did something (probably lots of things) to someone. We were dating and I he was taking things to quick. He wanted for us to get married etc and I wasn’t ready. He went to school out of the state we lived, he asked me to pick him up from the airport and I knew if I did the long drive (his flight was coming in from NY and we lived in DC) home would be very long cause he wanted to get back together. I told him I wasn’t going to get… Read more »
Nyaha a don’t figet yuh baby love… a comin! It seems mi cyah multi task tideh but mi a deal wid O and den mi come to yuh
Yazzy he knw I had no one who cared for me, If I had parents who loved me and intervened when he abused me, perhaps he would have treated me better, but I had nobody but God, God stepped up to the plate!
The Yoruba says when people hurt/offend/mal treat you, this is when God will remember you…so much humans in the world, but when there is trouble God remembers!
Obara I agree. These abusers are predators. .. they prey on yuh! It’s called weak fence! It name duppy know who fi frighten … they study yuh… they test yuh … evil has no conscience
You didn’t have strong male figures in your family, therefore, he took set.
Obara mi affi wi have likkle bit a repek fi yuh parents but mi affi honest and tell yuh seh dem is WICKED to yuh! Nunu asked a very important and valid point yesterday. How can a parent that was so protective of their children while they are young turn around and tun dem back pan dem pickney when the grow older?? So is parenting a switch? Yuh free fi tub bit off and on? Why not dash weh di belly before yuh have it dan fi bring it cone and watch it suffa?? There’s a fine line between tough… Read more »
I really do not feel anything for him, nothing at all, I just love my kids and not because of him, God gave them to me, his never enjoyable sex did not, ole germz!
Yazzy, crying is good, it helps ease the pain our God is wise!
Good for him, he is going to continue to experience the hell he has created.
I am glad to hear that Yazzy!
Nyah and now “How the mighty have fallen”, he was once on top, rich and had money, now he is losing his house, has lost his baby’s mother, the one after me, she died because of him his other women threw juju after her and killed her, so he left to raise the two she had for him after me, and now he is facing deportation, because of the prison time he did when we were together, although the deportation law in place now was not in at the time, the law is trying to get him with it, problem… Read more »
I agree, I don’t think he should get an excuse. What he did was just plain evil. How do you see a sick child you know and can help and do nothing. That is evil!
Ty soon come fi nurture us and pray for us, she so loving, hey Tyyyy!, we love you!
Class him Yazzy Class him, if yuh like mi yuh wi class de dog vomit! Yazzy in October, it was so cold that day and he drove off, as Lalibela said he was under a spell, but I REFUSE TO GIVE HIM AN EXCUSE, de man was and still is a dog and have the nerve to be LOOKING me whenever he gets the opportunity to speak to me. He was not even a good wukka man, slow wine to him ting like ole man, fi young bwoy, boring sex, ah wha him was fah, Yazzy class de dranco!! mi… Read more »
Obara mi LOVE yuh! Yuh nuh give a cluck cluck bout nobadi… yuh just bawl out yuh shit and get it affa yuh chess!
Bwouy not even wicked inna bed a try gwaan wicked a road… SICKENING!!! Mi so bringle mi aguh use him fi mi punching bag tideh! Mi affi get this frustration out! We should have PIÑATA PARTIES!! – we pin these pathetic as$holes faces to the piñatas ass and beat it silly like Micheal Jackson
Obara wi cyah mek nuh excuse fi dese low lives!! I understand that some are genuinely a just an innocent product of their environment BUT (and dis is the perfect time to discuss write from wrong) when yuh can afford to be sweet, kind, considerate to one… yuh mus can do it for all. So unless smaddy just plain WICKED to EVERYONE..EVERYTHING… ALL ANIMAL… mi wi understand that their extreme wicked acts is something they can’t control and that to me becomes a mental case BUT if you knowingly can pick and choose who fi wicked to and turn on… Read more »
The sex wasn’t even good?????uh uhhhhhhh!!!! Ass out!
Blessed day Obara, Nunu, Cami, Nyaha and all other sweeties and peepers. Obara mi cyah tek it! I can’t change who I am and how I feel. Is like yuh a study mi and knew when to demand mi fi continue read. GOD!!!!! Mi cyah stop bawl!! him drive off and leff yuh wid di baby girl barely alive.. out inna dat deh cold de???? Caws di way how yuh descriptive wid di col’ mi FEEL it!! Obara, yuh did deh wid a dawg shit! Not jus heny dawg shit to… di mungrel dawg shit dem weh fly a tek.… Read more »
MORE HUGS FI YU Yazzy!
Cami, mi hug yuh back!!!! Cami mi heart a hurt mi.. I jealous (good healthy jealous eenuh) of how tough you’re situation has made you. Mine has done the total opposite. .. mi is an emotional wreck and mi jus bawl and gwaan and at this point mi nuh bizniz…
You stay de, you have your area of strength too. I’m a weeper when I’m ready, I cry all when I’m happy, lol. My strength is not to ACCEPT…which is anything contrary to what I would want in any manner.
Hugs Yazzy…him was more than a load a shit…see me different, when I read, I never want bawl, I wanted to limb up him claat…Obara shoulda use my father ” bitch” and stab him up…him lucky Obara only sail plate after him…
Yes I have anger issues…
If I see him now, I elbow him in him throat … Cho….
I was literally laughing out loud at the thought of siting down and sharing a hug LOL. I thought I forgive my father until I meet him face to face LOL. He was very abusive towards my mother. My mother divorced him when I was young and I had to deal with cruel people making fun of me even ostracizing me because my parents were divorced. People can be so mean, I remember I couldn’t play with some children because their parents would not allow them to play with a child who did not have a father. Anyway before I… Read more »
Nyaha1, It is possible that you actually forgave your father; however, since your father is the same person who he was when you were a child; hence, his lying brought you back to a place that was not pleasing to you…
makes sense 🙂
Again (do see wid me cause I’m out the box) I hope you see where I’m coming from about that false therapy “forgiveness”. You sat down with an offender only to be re-offended by his lying tongue and deceitful spirit. I’m certain that after you cried and unburdened your spirit you felt better and was able to move forward in order to progress. Pardoning one self spiritually is it for me.
I see what you saying and agree. That whole hug it out or whatever is superficial.
I will also add that sometimes when you get a spiritual remedy that seems useless, it can be so powerful. My situation with my dad was one of those. I had to do it. My thought was “just get this whole thing over with” and I am learning more and more why it was important (I am learning more about it today 😉 )
Good, I can bet that you and your spouse will have a strong home and relationship because you clear your own obstacle by emptying your spirit of the burden cast upon you, not by choice.
Nyaha something’s and some persons cannot be forgiven…nor do the offenders want forgiveness…you just learn your lessons, release them and move on…that was their only purpose in your life…
lolol, Yazzy love bawl man, and poor ting, she feel everybody pain, ah just waan hug har, Yazzy this one is for you
((((((((((((((((((((((Yazzy hug is right here)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lalibela, You Got it!!! It is my sense of humor which helped keep me sane and strong! my sense of humor, I find humor in all and everything, no lie! When I called him, I told him that the little girl was very ill and he in turn told me that the boy, our son did not feel well also, that years winter was a crotchety old man, racist to boot!, I told him to come with him so we could go together to the hospital, when he came, he drove off. After they admitted her, and I sang her… Read more »
I love the honesty of the ones who patronize this blog–there is so much honesty in the written words. No fear of being regarded as being vulnerable or blind. I just love it.
Obara, you’ve made it so that I am able to understand you in all conceivable ways; your words find a way to invite and share in a manner like no other!!!
I value my life and sanity too much to not forgive—to not forgive is a burden and I don’t want anything to do with such. Forgiving does not mean that I forget; I learn form all transgressions—however, I don’t hold on, I embrace my lessons and move on. Obara, you use the word cut-off and I would say that I distance myself from people who are not on my wavelength and mean me any good. Distancing myself is not a sign of not forgive. I do by into the need to keep on moving! Never burden oneself with the act… Read more »
Lalibela (Good day) O say “we” don’t read, but I skip over the baby daddy part because jah know I have nothing good to say and I don’t want to rehash the same question that Obara may have been asked countless times and a question she asked herself countless times when he was acting like him mumma. She already rationalize and answered the question when she look at his offsprings, her bright lights.
Bayyyyy Obara, see what reading the post does, dwlrln! Me a falla Lalibela and add “Yazzy, you will read this whole entire post!” lol
Hi Lalibela. That is the reason to forgive right there.
Mood or not the board is not the same without you my dear, muahhhh!!!
Forgiveness for me is never to sit down and share a hug with these effers!
‘It is as I said before releasing dem, and moving on
I have nothing to do with these people, I have learned all that I need to from them, it was painful, but I live to tell the tale, i am free of them, so I press ahead!
Yw, whey yuh deh!!!!
All when me say later I am still here, lol. I’m in one of my moods.
Living with what they did to me made me a victim, and that I refused to be!
Nunu survival is built within, when you need to survive, you will
For me the forgiving came on its own, don’t ask me to explain, lol, after a while and for some, I found that I felt nothing for or against them.
Now I know that some of them were my teachers, yes they were
Cami, the suffering for me was re-living it, every time I had a thought of seeing the person, every time I would physically see them, every time I would go or do something that reminded me of the person or experience. The suffering is in your mind. The freeing came with forgiving myself for being in the experience. Once I did that which was a long painful process in its self. I didn’t feel the “suffering”, its like the act of forgiving let go of everything. For me it has little to do with the person that comes later and… Read more »
This is what I wanted to see all along, and here you have it “The freeing came with forgiving myself for being in the experience”, then Obara come with the other portion .”Now I know that some of them were my teachers” and the grand finale “Living with what they did to me made me a victim, and that I refused to be!” These elements are what I aim for, not no sit down and share my tears with no offender and have dem give me that false “I’m sorry” or “I wish I didn’t”…yu mad!? Although I didn’t know… Read more »
Again Nyaha, I share them just so others can relate/connect with them, not for pity or sorry for, lol….I am over them and I have learned from them and through them I help others
Sorry, Obara Meji. I understand and feel so many of your stories.
Hurry up and come back man, Cami oooooooo
Nyaha, almost the same as my experience, the pain went away, and seeing them sparked no emotions! My mother locked me out of her house when I was pregnant in the winter, I had on a slip of a frock, cold and afraid, I was a teenager in a building afraid for me and my baby, I cried at the door And begged her and my father to please let me in, no answer, my little sister begged them for me, they slapped her and ran her off to bed, I was left to freeze and sit in the building… Read more »
Good afternoon, NuNu and Nyaha.
Thanks for reminding me that I need to clear up my going away event. I don’t want no non-relatives and relatives I never like from morning mourning for me.
I have had to forgive some monsters in my life. I learned that it was not for them rather it was for my growth and health. They choose to hurt me and I choose not to continue to hurt myself by staying in that place of suffering. Not forgiving was living that suffering again and again. I had to do it, I had to move on again it was for me not them. I didn’t tell them, don’t even care if they know LOL My major forgiveness lesson was with an ex. He basically abandoned me, I didn’t have anyone… Read more »
I cannot understand the concept of suffering because you haven’t pardon/forgiven an offender. I understand all the terminologies but I will never comprehend the act described.
See you all later.
In not forgiving, the ones, are holding on to negativity and akin to the karma reference, lack of forgiving causes the ones to not be able to complete their respective mission…
You are welcome Nyaha
Cami, I have a sister I feel the same way about, I have nothing to do with her, if she dies I will not attend her send off, and I have instructed my children on what to do when I am old and grey and I decide to leave, none of them shall cross any door to look at me, however, I am numb to them, no hurt here, I have released them
Hi Cami, Teach, Nyaha this journey down memory lane nuh easy atall. I guess these are issues that ought to be dealt with, thanks fi dig dem up Obara and Cami as well mi sure it nuh easy, cause I don’t think I could deal with things like that happening to me, all mi can seh is unoo is a strong set a people.
Apologies, good day good people.
Obara Meji, thank you for sharing your story. In sharing your experiences you really allow us to dig deeper into our own experiences and see the spiritual causes and reasons for them happening. For that, thanks.
Good afternoon folks! Soon come mi gone read
Good Morning Cami!
Very good points, she really became a product of what she lived, and she also told me that the mother treated her that way because her father was a police man who never wanted the mother, so the mother became bitter and took it out on her!
The Yoruba says, cuss your enemies, do not pray or them!
Morning (“Please somebody help me stop writing”…nobody ago help you there, lol). You already tapped into why you stayed with that “man”, but your endurance make out of steel and it seems like having children just prolong relationships (the “man”, his mother). Where as, in my life, I can keep it moving because I have no biological connections. I have an aunt (I suspect she know me childhood burden-trigged by something you Obara wrote yesterday…see reasons why I don’t rehash what’s written most time) and I’ve already make up my mind that when she dead I’ll never attend her funeral… Read more »
Cami, exactly, why would be so cruel to ourselves and to solicit Obara to stop writing?
Cam cam, I understand that thought…the offender also has to seek pardon…
Morning Obara and all. Let me repost what I wrote yesterday and mean always: “Forgiving someone is for mild offenses not offenses that tears me up inside and caused my life to go topsy-turvy. To each is own, but I’m not built like that”. With the short version of why your mother-in-law is the way she is I cannot blame her for not forgiving her mother. See, the end result of that woman wickedness was to formulate a wicked spirit in that woman who in turn took it out on you and countless others; such is the degree of offenses… Read more »
Mi see it. Full 100. Of the rules they want to lay out for us, I will be the one to pick what to follow. Do not try to guilt me into it (‘member sey mi hate manipulation)