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Beginning this Thursday, we will be discussing for our book club topics on History, Black history, Religion, Islam, Culture, Heroes,  Warriors, Slavery, Mind Control, Brain Washing, Science, and such things. If we do not read how will we teach, how will we learn, how will we grow?! The topic will be that below ,together with the video all are welcome to Join in! After our discussion on Thursday, another book or video will be given for the next Thursday, you are all welcome to put in your own suggestions, just know that if you suggest a book, be here to discuss it! Let us get into our studies!

Lalibela Nile has supplied us with the first video and has sent us the download to the video I posted today!

We thank you Lalibela.

This is for the discussion on Thursday August 21st 2014

http://www.blackherbals.com/walter_rodney.pdf

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MTH
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MTH

Mr. Nile you were a gracious host. Congrats, you did well…

MTH
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MTH

Morning guys, I had connection issues. However the discussion was very spirited. Lisa Hanna I was really trying hard to like, but when I saw that heffer doing the ice bucket challenge, I had to say, wtf is this. Her government that is telling ppl not to water lawn wash vehicle as the drought is severe has water pouring over her. Is this heffer for real? This heffer’s party is set to raise bus fare this Sunday. Old people (indigent as well) now pay $20 on the bus, will be required to pay $60…I havent gotten a salary increase in… Read more »

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

Apologies on my seemingly rude departure last night. Mi go nam two fish and some crackers and ah piece ah sleep tek mi weh. Apologies again. Thanks Mr. Nile, Obara Meji, Cami, and the rest of the class for an entertaining and stimulating session. Nuh read too much inna di “nam”, “fish”, “crackers”, or “session” hee hee a likkle joke mi ah run…

NuNu
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Good night Ty and Yw, mi nuh too want fi lef yet but this unresponsive page a drive mi crazy

Cami
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Cami

Lalibela, thanks for this session. It was very informative. There’s a lot of material available so we can run this for a while.

Obara, thanks

Ty
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Ty

I am off to bed…mek a run before dem come try shoot me…lol

Yw says night night…

Thanks for the lovely chat guys…it was fun and we all got to chat, joke, and laugh…

Obara thanks for the medium to express our views freely without judgement…

My wish is that we continue to seek God, respect and love Mother Earth and our fellow human beings…

May the love and light of the Lord be with you all…

Odara Kosi la ala to da…

NuNu
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NuNu

Which video dat Yazzy?

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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BRB

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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[Ty], you are so right about that gay friendly Portia Simpson… Other than being the first female prime minister, she hasn’t really accomplished much–personal gain is the name of the game…

NuNu
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NuNu

Kia, my page is unresponsive too. Ty if a neva Lisa sumn woulda wrong.They band members of congress from taking part in the challenge.
@Nile, lol of course yuh partial, sar

kiabubblez
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kiabubblez

The page is unresponsive tonight an a shut down every minute but i am here…
And we a dash ice bucket pon our head fi sumn whey nuh even plague us?!?!?! rock a ages God cover me smh

Cami
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Cami

[Lalibela] Ironic, yes. Guy look like he dived into shallow water.

Toy, whom ever told you that didn’t tell it correctly(sounds like a racist rant,lol). See Ty put it in a better light. Crones is what is associated to Jews. Due to interracial relationships both are passed it passes down; same as how blacks have sickle cell anemia.

Yazzy
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Yazzy

Obara I just finished watching the vid. It was hilarious as ish! I had a few good laughs

NuNu
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NuNu

Yes Nile, I heard that he drowned. So far 42 million has been raised in the US due to the icebucket challenge.
Also the doctor and the aide worker are fully cured from the Ebola virus thanks to that experimental drug

Toy
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I have another question should we be ok with Obama signing for martial law

MTH
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Using my phone so its slow. I remember Desmond Tutu saying that the Missionaries. Came with their bibles and told the Africans to close their eyes and pray. When they opened their eyes they were left holding the bibles and the white men held their lands. It is sad how they treat the Africans. Even with the Ebola disease and this ALS water challenge. People throwing ice water on themselves for a cause. However, why not raise awareness about Ebola? Is it because Ebola is rampant in Africa.

NuNu
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NuNu

And that is the issue; we always seem to be playing catch up. I guess I need to broaden my scope but it doesn’t seem as if we are progressing as we should

Toy
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Ok going to look

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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[Ty] America’s civil war was fought so that capitalism could flourish. The North was well aware that capitalism would always be handicapped by slave labor and as such, slavery as we knew it in the South had to go…

If communism/socialism were to be give the same chance, don’t you think that applicable nations would have flourished?

Ty
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Ty

Nile, I think that a sense of community, respect for mother eart and it’s forces, love and respect for our fellow humans will be our way out of this…

This is ideal and may never happen…

However as we become more spiritual, we will undo the ropes that tethered us to religion and politics…

NuNu
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NuNu

U all here?

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Ty, please tell the christians that even the biblical Christ spoke about the Aquarian age… We are at a juncture where even the biblical Christ will lose his influence …the Christ was a function of the Age of Pisces

Toy
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I am here I had to get another phone

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Walter Rodney set out to show that post-colonial Africa will she is in control of her own destiny. Manley and Ghana’s Rawlings were of the same opinion. Manley & Rawlings found hope in Social Democracy–akin to the likes of Sweden and other Scandinavian countries. However, America and her hegemonic ways had different ideas. In the Book W. Rodney compared the socio-economic progress of post-colonial nations with the those of Western influenced capitalist democracy and in all examples, the socialist leaning states outperformed the Western influenced states… One key take away, socialism/communism is not in support of religions and spirituality seem… Read more »

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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[Tw/Yw] Relative to the repayment of the US’ national debt, most debt repayments are done by means of trade… It is for this reason why trade deficits are so important. Jamaica is forced to trade with the US and other more so-called ‘advance’ or industrial/post industrial nations and often times, we don’t have anything for them to consume–of volume that is… This inturn create the very trade deficits that are crippling the nation of Jamaica. The US has the same problem with China; due to the outsourcing of manufacturing to places like China, the US, et al will always be… Read more »

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Here is the full Life & Debt documentary for those who are yet to see it:

Ty
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Ty

If anything we have seen in history, is that there are cycles…let us see how China will be as a super power…

Let us see the role India will play…

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

here

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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[toy7318] You are on point and it is for such reasons, et al why Walter Rodney looked to into the integration of a socialist model. He saw that it was with the advent of christianity in Africa, the people began to further lose their way… One poignant thing to note, West Africans found a way to hold on to their beliefs as they related being animistic: “belief in spiritual beings or agencies…” One observers marveled at the fact that some of us managed to remain animistic even after so much turmoil and he contended that due to Walter Rodney’s socialist… Read more »

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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[Obara] Here is an actual very good synopsis outlining the destructive ways of the IMP & the World Bank–Ghana’s Rawlings, Jamaica’s Michael Manley and Nigeria’s Fela Kuti were all against doing business with the IMP & the World Bank:

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjOyBNOmfHQ&w=420&h=315]

MTH
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MTH

I’m here. I’ve read half the comments and will go finish reading the rest.

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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[NuNu] Our history is vast; relative to the true depth of our history, the past 400-plus years are nothing. Yes it is true, we are seemingly behind in all key areas and I will always contend that such is by design… We’ve always had growths and declines–waves are not straight. However, the difference now is that there is a design in place to keep us dependent and lost. Once we reclaim our spirituality, we will find our path. We are a lost people and the few who are in the know have not found a way to awake the masses… Read more »

Toy
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Yes in the book that Nile gave us to read it says politics and religion go hand in hand. There are way to many churches on every damn block and it is not like the people in the church are becoming better people. It is a way to control people, because in the book I was reading it clearly stated that intruders said you can have your religion

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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[Ty] That is exactly how I see it. The world slavery was not even coined when the Europeans entered Africa… The problem is that modern scholars are too lazy to distinguish between the two references…

Our ancestors had no notion of how we were going to be treated by the Europeans…

Toy
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But slavery wasn’t on the scale to dehumanize people, wasn’t slavery just for war purposes at first. Slave of War I think that what it was

NuNu
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NuNu

Ok Ty I see what yuh saying. The thing that bugs me about this is that it seems as if we are always, as a people, in the infantile stages of development, while others are miles ahead of us. We know how to play ‘victim’ very well. We are aware of what has happened and is happening but we need to learn how to unite, and see what can come from that unity. L

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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When we think about those who have exploited, murdered and raped millions of Africans, one name comes to my mind, King Leopold of Belgium–King Leopold’s Ghost is a must read…

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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[NuNu] Relative to Africa’s participation, there is culpability… Africans were complicit in the slave trade; without the help of Africans, the Europeans would not have conquered the continent in the manner that they have…

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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[Ty] If not for the resources that came from areas like the Congo, we would not have rubber and microchips. Think of a world without rubber and microchips?

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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[Toy7318] The African’s nucleus pertained to spirituality while the burgeoning Europeans were in a militaristic and exploitative mode. They know not spirituality and even when they were introduced to spirituality, they sought to capitalize and use it as a tool–diluted and called religion… Accordingly, Africans were more harmonious with fellow mankind and nature… The Europeans were of the opinion that we had so much wealth and no knowledge of its worth. Hence, coming from a deprived Europe, their aim was clear–take everything… The European system of living is a contradiction to the African way of living and just like a… Read more »

Ty
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Ty

70%of the worlds cocoa plants are in Africa! yet when you talk about best chocolate! it is European…how dat?

kiabubblez
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kiabubblez

Good night let me read n ketch up

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Ty, you are on point; it wouldn’t been so bad if some of these ‘stakeholders’ were Africans. Non-African carved up the continent and in 1895-96 and created their fiefdoms and playgrounds…

The aim from then until now related to rob the continent of its resources–the very reason for Europe’s massive growth and wealth…

Toy
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I have a question?Is it because of our giving and forgiving nature that everything was robbed from us? I am asking does it play a part of our demise that we are a people that love to help?

Ty
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Ty

Well capitalization by design is for a few elite…

Definition of capitalization is protection of shareholders wealth…

Africa has the most arable lands and most resources of the planet…so a few who are not from Africa want this…how better to steal than to cause a distraction…wars, political upheaval etc…

Cami
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Cami

Yes, Obara. It is amazing how the heads of government assist in “Raping” the resources along with foreign bodies. I can’t understand why can’t they assist in bring their respective nations up to the standards of other industrialized countries while they are eating their proverbial cake.

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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It is very important that we pay attention to the word ‘underdevelopment’ as it alludes to the fact that the continent of Africa was developed. Accordingly, Walter Rodney wanted to established that we are dealing with a region that was developed, underscore the reasons for her underdevelopment and then outline plausible solutions…

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Obara, as you know, it was by design why only puppet african leaders were permitted to rule. Visionary leaders like Patrice Lumumba & Joseph Sankara had to go.

Sankara’s vision was akin to W. Rodneys and once the Western powers saw his impact he was murdered…

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Courtney, if you so desire, I can send you a link pertaining to a discussion that Vanderbilt University had on this book–it is almost 2 hours long but it might be of interest… Please advise…

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Cami, you are so right, it is by means of exploitation and destabilization that Africa became underdeveloped…

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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All, the aim of this effort is to demystify notion that Africa not is a lame duck continent and that she was spiritually, culturally and economically sound pre-European intervention…

Cami
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Cami

Lalibela, I found that the book corresponds with points made by Dr. Clarke. The book speaks of Underdevelopment while Dr. Clarke spoke exploitation (among many things). I would say that because of the pass exploitation, underdevelopment is what we see today.

Courtney
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Obara I’m a reader but to be honest it was verbose and did not hold my attention…..maybe it’s just me but I’m sorry I didn’t finish

Tw/Yw
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Tw/Yw

**YW quietly sneaks in and takes a seat in the back of the class**

Toy
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Yes!

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Obara mi deh yah!!!

Toy
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I did read, but I didn’t finish the book.

Toy
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Love and light!

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