This Thursday November 20th, 2014 will be our book club discussion I Obara Meji have provided the material which you will find the below. Ty moderated our last two discussions and as usual did an excellent job, which was on the wonderful benefits of Apple Cider Vinegar, and we thank her a whole lot. I must say it was informative and it was fun! We all enjoyed it,well done Ty, thank you very much. It is unfortunate that I did not see my regulars to show support, but it is what it is, nuff love same way. Book Club begins @ 8pm, please make an effort to be here, knowledge is power, let us learn together.
From the works of Rudolf Steiner…..Enlightenment
Enlightenment proceeds from very simple processes. Here, too, it is a matter of developing certain feelings and thoughts which slumber in every human being and must be awakened. It is only when these simple processes are carried out with unfailing patience, continuously and conscientiously, that they can lead to the perception of the inner light-forms. The first step is taken by observing different natural objects in a particular way; for instance, a transparent and beautifully formed stone (a crystal), a plant, and an animal. The student should endeavor, at first, to direct his whole attention to a comparison of the stone with the animal in the following manner. The thoughts here mentioned should pass through his soul accompanied by vivid feelings, and no other thought, no other feeling, must mingle with them and disturb what should be an intensely attentive observation. The student says to himself: “The stone has a form; the animal also has a form. The stone remains motionless in its place. The animal changes its place. It is instinct (desire) which causes the animal to change its place. Instincts, too, are served by the form of the animal. Its organs and limbs are fashioned in accordance with these instincts. The form of the stone is not fashioned in accordance with desires, but in accordance with desireless force.” (The fact here mentioned, in its bearing on the contemplation of crystals, is in many ways distorted by those who have only heard of it in an outward, exoteric manner, and in this way such practices as crystal-gazing have their origin. Such manipulations are based on a misunderstanding. They have been described in many books, but they never form the subject of genuine esoteric teaching.)
Once the faculty of seeing with spiritual eyes has been acquired, one then encounters sooner or later the beings here mentioned, some of them higher, some lower than man himself–beings that never enter physical reality.
If this point has been reached, the way to a great deal lies open. But it is inadvisable to proceed further without paying careful heed to what is said or otherwise imparted by the spiritual researcher. And for that, too, which has been described, attention paid to such experienced guidance is the very best thing. Moreover, if a man has the strength and the endurance to travel so far that he fulfills the elementary conditions of enlightenment, he will assuredly seek and find the right guidance.
But in any circumstances, one precaution is necessary, failing which it were better to leave untrodden all steps on the path to higher knowledge. It is necessary that the student should lose none of his qualities as a good and noble man, or his receptivity for all physical reality. Indeed, throughout his training he must continually increase his moral strength, his inner purity, and his power of observation. To give an example: during the elementary exercises on enlightenment, the student must take care always to enlarge his sympathy for the animal and the human worlds, and his sense for the beauty of nature. Failing this care, such exercises would continually blunt that feeling and that sense; the heart would become hardened, and the senses blunted, and that could only lead to perilous results.
How enlightenment proceeds if the student rises, in the sense of the foregoing exercises, from the stone, the plant, and the animal, up to man, and how, after enlightenment, under all circumstances the union of the soul with the spiritual world is effected, leading to initiation–with these things the following chapters will deal, in as far as they can and may do so.
In our time the path to spiritual science is sought by many. It is sought in many ways, and many dangerous and even despicable practices are attempted. It is for this reason that they who claim to know something of the truth in these matters place before others the possibility of learning something of esoteric training. Only so much is here imparted as accords with this possibility. It is necessary that something of the truth should become known, in order to prevent error causing great harm. No harm can come to anyone following the way here described, so long as he does not force matters. Only, one thing should be noted: no student should spend more time and strength upon these exercises than he can spare with due regard to his station in life and to his duties; nor should he change anything, for the time being, in the external conditions of his life through taking this path. Without patience no genuine results can be attained. After doing an exercise for a few minutes, the student must be able to stop and continue quietly his daily work, and no thought of these exercises should mingle with the day’s work. NO one is of use as an esoteric student or will ever attain results of real value who has not learned to wait in the highest and best sense of the word.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3R5rfzafMc
Good morning i apologize for not being here last night. I fell asleep round 8:30 when i woke it was nearly 4am. I am reading the post now.
Ok good night folks!
Good night. Me gone sleep.
Np, I’m exhausted however, I will redo this post week after next
I didn’t watch the first video yet but I watched the second and read the post.
Yazzy asked the question about spiritual biography is that the same as the odu?
Ah guess this book club discussion was difficult?
But wi deh ask questions
The book club isn’t difficult. The material is complex, for me personally, because I have never dealt with Rudolf Steiner before…this is an introduction to him. I can’t digest Philosphers especially- if I don’t know their biography before hand. I have to adapt to them as a person before their work.
I like this statement but it not easy to do, when we meet people especially one’ s we have an aversion to we should not allow blind judgement to usurp a place of living and vital impression. We shouldn’t only be tolerant of what suits our own personality and ward off anything else. This causes us to remain captives of the sense world. Any inclination we follow blindly deadens us from seeing things around us in the right light…
“Any inclination we follow blindly deadens us from seeing things around us in the right light…”
NuNu, and we must never follow blindly…and don’t forgot one person right can be your wrong…or their wrong your right. I don’t care who is ahead of me if I don’t catch “it” me nah stop till I do. Again, another person awakening a nu fi yu own.
Well Cami we are of different ages spiritually, in age I am older than my mother, so it depends on who we are and how evolved we are, I am as old as dirt
…and have sight beyond that of your peers.
No cami, they are not lower, he may mean beings from realms unknown to us, or certain spirit beings
ok. But when you a say us…should you be included in the ‘us’ Meji?
I do not agree Nunu, about beings being lower than us, if so I am not privy to it, our physical bodies is what makes us lower than some, while we are wearing it, but when we have ascended some of us are on great heights
I would think the reference is to malevolent beings (demons)?
He mentioned beings lower than.man himself. Are these elementals?
I think Obara brought that up in her first essay…a mean post…lol
How can a stone bring about any feelings?
Needa me cami
Exactly toy
I’m home…big ups to you phone bloggers…It’s NOT for me.
Lol! Yuh wi get use to it Cami!
I can’t afford to get carpel tunnel.
All those are the same Nunu, both in need of each other not being able to stand on their own, but it dends on the one who experiences either good or bad, pain or pleasure, and how the realist it as fitting to their person
ok… Polority… the are the same just different degrees
Toy, are you referring to the Pain and pleasure that NuNu’s on? If so, then I would thing polarity/polarizing would be a great measurement of such.
Night nunu
Sex is a perfect example of both pleasure and pain. also child birth.
When he said we should use pleasure and pain as organs of perception rather than dwelling in them. Is this in reference to what we view as good/bad, light/dark, the experiences we go through whether good or bad we should just learn from them and move on? (Kinda sound cold when I say it like that cause I know things can affect/traumatize but unoo get wha mi deh seh)
I am still trying to grasp certain things. I have to listen to it again from the beginning
Our mind is our universe Nunu, it hold the answers to many, if not all things. We have access to a whole range of things, yet still we are ignorant to so much. We as humans do not know the full capacity of our univers or ourselves, because we are caught up with the wiles of the world and all the materialism that this plane offers. If we would seek to escape into our selves at times, through silence, meditation, self introspection, and become more observant of nature instead of being caught up with the world distractions and frivolity es,… Read more »
Ok Obara, he said that thinking is the highest faculty we human beings possess in the physical world but we have to be able to think in the ‘right way’ not a dreamy way which leads to illusions and a faulty approach to life, so one must adhere to the laws to thinking. What does that mean?
I await the questions
Thank you Obara. Can you elaborate more on our spiritual biography?
Again Nunu, here is what I must say, in order for one to observe what he is describing, one had to be in the right state of being, u indoctrinated by all and everything to be able to see reality which is what Steiner has described, the aura is the spirit within and all if the energies that runs through
I am looking at the first video
Yes, Nunu the latter, he must be ready and disciplined and he must let go of ego, desire and glamor
Ok, also when he says the first exercise should be looking at a plant, animal etc.you must be disciplined and focused observing not only with physical sight but spiritual sight as well then we’ll see that a plant which is green gives off a pink light and a.stone blue or blue-red etc. That’s the aura right? So what exactly is aura, an energy drawn from a particular realm?
good question Nunu
Nunu keep your questions coming!
What does Steiner mean by saying man has certainly the right to turn his eyes to the light but he must first acquire the right Is he talking about the motive behind the need to acquire a certain knowledge? Or is it first building the discipline to acquire knowledge?
On
Hey Toy, I have to trod in
ok good. I am reading comments
ok I didn’t know you were still doing class today.
Night Toy
Ok people ask pardon, I just got through the path to knowledge video
It can be a learnt process, Yassy, but te true seer is gifted, the learnt process is error filled
Thank you Obara. I would think so.
It is as it is perceived Yazxu, this is why I do not believe color blind people are so, they see as what they perceive, who is to say they are wrong
“Once the faculty of seeing with spiritual eyes has been ACQUIRED, one then encounters sooner or later the beings here mentioned, some of them higher, some lower than man himself–beings that never enter physical reality”
Obara so spiritual sight (clairvoyance) is not a natural gift??… it is a learnt process??
Obara so the author states that the colors of the other realms are immeasurable but we have been learning here that color is what we are taught it is and we are learning in this post that it’s actually a shade until light is reflected on it right…
There is spirtual communication through colors, because each shade or color is represented by a realm, and each realm has specificty to them In accordance to what they represent and also their function
Cami, language has destroyed spirit communications with each other, non physical or otherwise, all things are actually shades, colors comes in when light is reflected upon, each color if not precondition as to the name is perceived differently by every human being
No cami I am here, but my book club look like it too hard
I’m in a restaurant with the kids…first time a use me phone here.
So…O i’ve ways pondered about the colors of everything in nature, and wondered how they were assigned and how so much colors came to be. The most fascinating of all things are sea creatures and plants.
The spiritual world with its lines and figures remains dark as long as he has only attained what has been described as preparation; through enlightenment this world becomes light. Here it must also be noted that the words “dark” and “light,” as well as the other expressions used, only approximately describe what is meant. This cannot be otherwise if ordinary language is used, for this language was created to suit physical conditions. Spiritual science describes that which, for clairvoyant organs, flows from the stone, as blue, or blue-red; and that which is felt as coming from the animal as red… Read more »
Ok. Imhere
Good night all my sweeties! Iba Obara scholar Meji! Nunu boooo! What’s up babygirl??
I’m checking in. I’m gonna finish reading up. Sarry mi late. Bwouy di two post dem have me a way wid bare jewels. Mi affi deh back and forth…
Yailings Yazz!
Present
I’ll check in again later
Are we putting class of until after Thanksgiving?
Knock knock. Anybody home?
NuNu…knock, knock. Me out and a try pon me android. I guess the vote was for next week.