July 9, 2014 Obara Meji 158Comment

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Yesterday someone suggested that I write this post, and I decided that I would tackle it today, as usual I write from my own experiences, my thoughts and reflections, as oppose to the writings and teachings of others. Try as I might, while I may agree with another persons writings or teachings, I do have my own opinions and I believe that they are valid and worth sharing. I am not looking for persons to agree with me, as a matter of fact I welcome a good opposition if one choose to and it makes sense, not everyone who choose to oppose an argument do so from a place of intellect or just a good clean argument, some do so just because, however if one chooses to argue a point,  It may go into a debate which stimulates the mind almost in an orgasmic way, and also in a way which hopefully we all  may learn from, as I am forever learning. It is a thirst which seems unquenchable to me, I thirst for knowledge, I do not know enough! I thought this to be a touchy subject, but I threw caution to the wind, which I seemingly love to do and went for it, so here goes!

I was born into Christianity, growing up I had no choice but to go to church. My mother and father never once went with us nor did I ever see them go on their own, but we were forced to go or else no Sunday dinner. I attended St Stevens Presbyterian church off Cross Roads in Kingston Jamaica. This was a solemn kind of church where no one shouted or got into the spirit , no unknown tongue were spoken or clapping for that matter. Here people spoke in low hushed tones and the children were told to shush ever so often, other than when we were outside playing London Bridge is falling down, or Old Mac, Donald had a farm, or there’s a brown girl in the ring after Sunday school, were we able to have fun on the grounds of the church.

Hell and damnation was my fear, as a child when I would hear the preachers preach this, although, again at this particular Church the pastor never broke a sweat, he was always cool and preached in a somber tone, I guess what I am trying not to say is Boring. My mother would speak of the rapture in fear, and that in turn would make us the children fearful, and it seemed as if most who believed or practiced Christianity had one fear after the other. The Church seemed to believe that it had to drive fear into the believers in order to keep them in line. As I grew up and began to take a curious look at life and at religion, which by the way I was most interested in, I realized that the World Bosses (Not Kartel), Presidents, movers and shakers, big money makers, had a way to run the world, to keep its citizens in check or in line and it was the same way the church performed. Rule the mass through fear! Brilliant! A parent has a child and is stern with that child does not have to hit the child to straighten him up, the parent just has to give a “Look”, and the child, through Fear, behaves.

Religion and Spirituality are interconnected, often times it is religion which leads one to Spirituality, as in the case with me, but while Religion binds, Spirituality frees you, it does not have the constraints of the Church, the Mosque, the Synagogue or other religious houses. With Spirituality you are not  bound to any set of dogmas or doctrines. Spirituality comes from within, at times it may come with having the famous ‘Aha’ moment, when something awakens you to YOU, and all your possibilities, self realization. It maybe while your are speaking to someone, or a visit to a metaphysical book shop, or reading a book, or watching a documentary, getting consultation from a Spiritualist, or even a dream or vision. Then you begin to search for things you believe you ought to know but do not. For some people when enlightenment comes they embrace it, for others they fear disappointing their parents, partners, religious teachers et al, because once they become aware and have decided to Embrace their Spirituality, once they are fully awake, their is no turning back, which means moving away from what they have been brought up or taught to believe, It can be jarring admittedly. A promising youth decides to leave school and becomes a Rastaman,  he begins to wear all white as it suggests peace to him, he cut off eating meat, becomes celibate and go to live up in the hills where he feels he is one with nature, he is called mad and his parents cry for him, not realizing that he has become fully awake and has decided to free himself from all that is expected of him and just be him!

People who awake are severely mis-understood. All that they have learned from the Bible, the Koran and the Torah is revealed to them as man made tales, or fictions to say the least. When this happened to me my spirit spoke to me and said “regardless of  what is written in these books, lies, tales, metaphors or whatever, they still speak of and acknowledge the Creator, and it matters not what they call him, once he is mentioned or referred to in any text, there he is present for all to know, this is what has sustained these words and preaching  in the minds of those asleep, fear not because they are still being fed!”

In other words, It matters not the route you take to find God, as long as you find him and acknowledge his existence. With Spirituality it is realized that the worship of God as is done within religion is not needed. I know, I know, but breathe as I explain. It is not necessary to worship Our creator in the manner of how it is done in the churches and other religions. All that is needed is that we KNOW, that God exists! When we pray it is acknowledgement of the creator and worship within itself. God has no human emotion attached to it, so it does not need our adoration or worship, only our acknowledgement, which we must, because we are indeed fragments of  this great Creator, fragments of the All, and to denounce it, is to denounce ourselves.  In Abrahamic religions the existence and nature of God is all important, while In the Buddhist and Hindu religion, God exists, but the importance of praise and worship is not is not placed upon its existence. When I realized this at first it frightened me because I was taught that to denounce God was blaspheme and that I would suffer in hell, with burning flames consuming me, and the Devil jooking (stabbing) me with pitch forks, just the thought alone was torture, plus mi skin saff and cannot tek licks much less juks from pitch forks, meaning my body could not take such torture. But (yes I can begin a sentence with but, this is a blog after all) when I took a closer examination of the teachings of Buddha and of the Hindus I realized that they did not denounce the existence of God. They acknowledged him but placed no importance on the worship of him because he, #1- is unknowable, 2- is within us as we are apart of him, 3-  we have other things to learn while here on earth which would free us from our physical constraints and elevate us into becoming  light beings therefore affording us the ability to evolve within the time and space continuum and as such we would be able to assist others who are shrouded in darkness, of these things we must remain focused. This is what I came away with when I studied these teachings and It made sense to me and so I sought more and found teachings like these:

The greatest achievement is selflessness.
The greatest worth is self-mastery.
The greatest quality is seeking to serve others.
The greatest precept is continual awareness.
The greatest medicine is the emptiness of everything.
The greatest action is not conforming with the world’s ways.
The greatest magic is transmuting the passions.
The greatest generosity is non-attachment.
The greatest goodness is a peaceful mind.
The greatest patience is humility.
The greatest effort is not concerned with results.
The greatest meditation is a mind that lets go.
The greatest wisdom is seeing through appearances.

I began to delve deeper into the teaching of all things as it relates to Creation, Humans Beings, Deities, Nature, God, all things which I knew resonated with me and from within me. I Embraced my Spirituality and I was free. Hell existed no more and so the fear of this dreaded place flew away, the fear of Death flew right away along with it, the rapture, well that became  all BS to me as well as all that I had learned and feared while growing up took a jolly leap from a very high mountain. However Jesus stayed with me, I placed no importance on whether he was real or not, I did not care about that, I still do not. The benevolence of the character was what appealed to me. The nature of this being, so kind and loving and caring made me fall in love with it as I believed that this should be the nature of all humans, all beings, this is impossible I know, but this Jesus character appealed to me, and so did Buddha when I found him and so did Krishna, and Mirtha, Indra and Orunmila. Yet I urged myself on, Opening up myself to learn more and I did and I am still learning.

Just before I came to America, I stopped going to church, I would tell my mother that I was going, but I would go to my friends house in stead. We would have youth fellowship on Wednesdays at the church which I would not attend, and for that I gave no excuse I just did not attend, after about a month two church brothers came looking for me at my home, aiming to bring me back, it worked, I went back, mainly because I had a secret crush on Chubby one of the two who came looking for me, the KC (Kingston College tie, was very capturing during those times, ah did like off Chubby bad and the feeling was mutual lol). Looking back I cannot find the reason why I stopped, it may have been that I wanted a break from going to church or these church meetings, keep in mind that I had no choice. In this I was born, and drummed into my head was that you never questioned the bible and you never walked away from the church. In this post, I refer the most to Christianity because that is the religion which I was born into, but as religions goes I speak on all.

With religion, the freedom to access your true self and connect it with nature is completely lost. It maybe suggested within its texts, as the character Jesus is always in nature, whether walking on water in a boat or praying in the mountains, (sound like Babalawo work to mi) but again it is open for interpretation. The bible wielding Pastors believe it is their job and duty to save souls, and missionaries have done more damage that Hitler did to the Jews in my opinion. Religion, other than imprisoning the mind, is suppose to preach peace and love, yet they all fight against each other. Muslims do not like Christians and Christians do not like Muslims and they all hate the Jews, and together they fire bun those who have stepped away from their theologies and frightening doctrines of hell and damnation, do I dare laugh?  Where is the Love? Where Is the peace? Where is the Unity? Where? The Good book teaches it but the interpreters of the Book are something else, words cannot explain them. Who remembers this quote “Christians I like your Christ but I do not like you Christians” ! A blogger once emailed me and told me never to quote Mahatma Gandhi again because he was racist, and he may have very well been, but what he said here I totally agree with. My argument today is not to shadow anyone’s belief, but to look at these two subjects keenly and with open eyes and see which one I am most comfortably with. Of Religion and Spirituality, persons may say they are one in the same, and while I agree to some degree, I must say that of the latter serves the greater good of self and of man kind, where it allows one  the freedom to explore all and everything spiritual and of the Universe and things which defies logic, it stretches the limitations of the human mind, allowing us to see beyond THE WORD as Christians call it, and not to conform just because.  The former restricts, divide and imprison the mind. With religion I find there is no love, no peace no unity, it may preach such likes, but where in the world does it show it?, Even within its own there is a division, the Seven Day Adventist and Jehovah’s witnesses says their way is the best way and Catholicism rebukes them all and the Pope believes he is Christ incarnate while driving around in a bullet proofed vehicle, While Muslims continues to bomb the world and the Jews believes that THEY, are the chosen ones, while continuing to bomb and kill the Palestinians, could this be love as Bob Marley asks?, I think not.

Below is an Interesting article I found on the internet I share with you, please enjoy!

 

Tí ewé gbígbẹ bá bọ́ lára igi, ó ńkọ́ ewé tútù lọ́gbọ́n ni. /
A dry leaf that falls off a tree serves as a lesson to the fresh ones. Yoruba Proverb! 

[Be perceptive; learn from the experiences of others]

 

All religions are valid as long as it teaches peace and love…Obara Meji!

 

It has become quite popular in recent years to distinguish between spirituality and religion

It’s true that there are valid distinctions between the two, but there are also a number of problematic distinctions which often and unnecessarily divide the two fields of thought.

One principal problem with attempts to separate religion from spirituality is that the former is saddled with everything negative while the latter is exalted with everything positive.


It is important to note the fact that many of the negative things which people attribute to religions are features of some forms of some religions (usually Judaism, Christianity, and Islam), but not of other religions (like Taoism or Buddhism).


Religion is spiritual and spirituality can also be considered religious. One tends to be more personal and private while the other tends to incorporate public rituals and organized doctrines.

 

The lines between one and the other may often not be clear or distinct depending on the interpretation.


Consider these definitions:

  • Religion is an institution established by man for various reasons. Exert control, instill morality, stroke egos, or whatever it does. Organized, structured religions all but remove god from the equation. You confess your sins to a clergy member, go to elaborate churches to worship, told what to pray and when to pray it. All those factors remove you from god.
  • Spirituality is born in a person and develops in the person. It may be kick started by a religion, or it may be kick started by a revelation. Spirituality extends to all facets of a person’s life. Spirituality is chosen while religion is often times forced. Being spiritual to me is more important and better than being religious.
  • True spirituality is something that is found deep within oneself. It is your way of loving, accepting and relating to the world and people around you. It cannot be found in a church or by believing in a certain way.

Consider the following in favor of the spiritual path:

  • There is not one religion, but hundreds
  • There is only one type of spirituality
  • Religion is for those who want to continue rituals and the formality
  • Spirituality is for those who want to reach the Spiritual Ascent without dogmas
  • Religion is for those who are asleep
  • Spirituality is for those who are awake
  • Religion is for those that require guidance from others
  • Spirituality is for those that lend ears to their inner voice
  • Religion has a dogmatic and unquestionable assembly of rules that need to be followed without question
  • Spirituality invites you to reason it all, to question it all and to decide your actions and assume the consequences
  • Religion threatens and terrifies
  • Spirituality gives you inner peace
  • Religion speaks of sin and of fault
  • Spirituality encourages “living in the present” and not to feel remorse for which has already passed – Lift your spirit and learn from errors
  • Religion represses humanity, and returns us to a false paradigm
  • Spirituality transcends it all and makes you true to yourself
  • Religion is instilled from childhood, like the soup you do not you want to take
  • Spirituality is the food that you you seek, that satisfies you and is pleasant to the senses
  • Religion is not God
  • Spirituality is infinite consciousness and all that is – It is God
  • Religion invents
  • Spirituality discovers
  • Religion does not investigate and does not question
  • Spirituality questions everything
  • Religion is based on humanity, an organization with rules
  • Spirituality is DIVINE, WITHOUT rules
  • Religion is cause for division
  • Spirituality is cause for union
  • Religion seeks you so that you create
  • Spirituality causes you to seek
  • Religion continues the teachings of a sacred book
  • Spirituality seeks the sacredness in all the books
  • Religion is fed fear
  • Spirituality is fed confidence
  • Religion lives you in your thoughts
  • Spirituality lives in your conscience
  • Religion is in charge of the “to do”
  • Spirituality is in charge of the “to BE”
  • Religion is a dialectic
  • Spirituality is logic
  • Religion feeds the ego
  • Spirituality makes you transcend
  • Religion makes you renounce yourself to the world
  • Spirituality makes you live with God, not to renounce him
  • Religion is adoration
  • Spirituality is meditation
  • Religion is to continue adapting to the psychology of a template
  • Spirituality is individuality.
  • Religion dreams of glory and paradise
  • Spirituality makes you live it here and now
  • Religion lives in the past and in the future
  • Spirituality lives in the present, in the here and now
  • Religion lives in the confinement of your memory
  • Spirituality is LIBERTY in AWARENESS.
  • Religion believes in the eternal life
  • Spirituality makes you conscious of all that is
  • Religion gives you promises for the after-life
  • Spirituality gives you the light to find God in your inner self, in this life, in the present, in the here and the now…

May peace, happiness and universal love continue growing in your heart.

 

You are All That Is.

 

 

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[…] Often times I take the time to write what I believe to be very good posts, but they do not get the attention they deserve, yesterday’s topic was one such post. So today I would like to continue the post, but steer it a little in another direction, by also looking at spirituality as opposed to religion, a post was done on Embracing spirituality already dealing with this subject, read here. […]

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can you pls interpret a dream for me?

Cami
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Hi teeA,

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i like your blog obara meji.

Cami
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Onu tune out…Going to read for bookclub Thursday. Good night

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I am currently struggling with this issue myself. I go to church, believe in God and want to live a spiritual life, I thank you for all the insights that’s in this blog. I will definitely look more into it.

Obara Meji
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Hey Cami

Ty
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Hey Empress, long time no see…we glad you drop in…we all have had this struggle…remember no church needed to serve God…

Courtney
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Love this post very fitting as I watch this Preachers of LA show these ppl are definitely entertaining. Religion is correct they need to seek counsel for real.

Courtney
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All this talk about food I hope we get a cooking lesson. Making ppl hungry!! hmmmmmmm

Courtney
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Hey guys!

Hope everyone is well.

Obara Meji
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Hey Courtney

Obara Meji
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Good for you empress

MTH
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YW mi fambo large up. Work done yah now. Mi a run guh pick up Little M. Teach mi wuda eat some run-dung yah now. Never eat it wid salt fish before.

Cami, Yazzy large up.

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Yw and O appetite get way tiday!..lol

MTH
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Fambo wey unno dey?

Tw/Yw
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Tall up, Mth!!

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Bad gyal M! Weh yuh de pan??

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Good evening, Obara and everyone. I find religion to be external and spirituality to be internal.

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Absolutely agree with that Ms. Cams. Big up, big ups!!

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Cami Cam! Hola mamacita!

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Hola! Yazzy. Ty, Ty big ups, MTH and Nunu. Yw and Lalibela too.

Salt mackerel rundung wid curry yu want me cook O?

Ty
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So true Cami

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Ty ya do road mami?

Ty
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Yazzie, holiday today and I wake up feeling lazy…just been reading and watching YouTube videos…

How everything with u?

Mth, large up…little M start back school yet?

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Hi everyone, how are you my special people doing? I will be back in a few.

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Ekaso Obara Mth Ase, thank u, same to yu my dear. Hi Ty ES fambo hope all enjoying their day.

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Mawnin Kia Boo!!!

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Yazzy yaz i agree 1000%… It’s soul food… it’s food that appeals to the senses. It’s consciousness…
I am conscious… I am awake…ASE

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Morning Teach. I trust that all is well with you.

Teach & Bloggers, peepers and everyone who visits this blog today, I pray that your hearts will be so blessed that you will not be able to contatin yourselves. I pray that peace, love, joy, hope, courage all abide with you forever. I pray that you will always be slow to anger and quick to forgive. I pray that you dont during your travels today, the lights will always be on green. I pray that you will take the time and breathe.

I pray that today we (me included) will realise that no matter how ‘important’ we think our jobs are, that we will find time for what is truely important and that is family and friendship and ourselve. (Roger Clarke died last Thursday and by Friday there was someone there to replace him).

As ususal, I pray for love and light to guide you along your way. Ase, Ase, Ase!!!

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Pleasant Morning Obara and prefect MTH!
Thank you MTH!!!! ASE!!!!!!!!!!

Obara, this is my first time reading this post. I guess I never had a chance to get to it. It’s powerful. I love it. It was loaded with factual ish… rather than inflated bs.

It was Christianity that led me to spirituality. I believe we first have to be exposed to religion and experience it’s nasty stings in order to allow ourselves to search for more and appreciate the answers that come from embracing ones spirituality. I approach spirituality as a lifestyle whereas I would view religion as a task that had to be completed, forcefully. Religion is very pretentious… everyone is perfect!…while they silently suffer on the inside. Their inner misery and fear cripples their ability to be inquisitive and intuitive and to seek….

You would never find me looking to religion anymore. Oh no, not I. For I have awakened to something much more sustainable. It’s soul food… it’s food that appeals to the senses. It’s consciousness…

I am conscious… I am awake…

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LArge up Yazsters!! I think we can take parts of many religions but it is difficult to adopt any one in its entirety.

Ty
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Ase, ase, ase !!!

Yazzy
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Mawnin Darling Ty!

Ty
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Morning Yazzy, Obara, Mth, Kiab, and the rest of the esp fambo…

Tw/Yw
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Den wi ah go be like Twins of Twins an drop pure hilarious lyrical bullets on dem.

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I am am bad wid people. Everybody look like somebody to me and I hardly get names right. Nuff time me an TY deh pon di road and mi seh “Yow, dah bredda look like ___” and she laugh because mos’ time ah true.

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Tee hee. Mi nuh tink mi reach di cat dem yet. Mi love laugh to but some people tek life real serious an mi si sey mi haffi careful moretime.

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So much I could do with those first 3 sentences but I am determined to keep it PG (ah likkle joke mi ah run; do nuh tell Ty) =). Tek care an if yu nuh si mi later, have a great day and blessed night.

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Yow mi Fambo, mi dey yah pan di job…Mi come in an si sum breed a wuk a wait fi mi. Mi a guh lick off quick & fast and come back…

If unno nuh si mi too tuff in a di early part a di day, mi old fire stick dey bout suh mi might spen a little while catching up…Mi heart a giddy-up like teenager (Teach said way like when yu use to si Eric Hamilton)…

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I completely agree that God has no emotion and have come to that conclusion, as well, that God is neither good nor bad. Just like nature is not good or bad, simply a force. Nature responds to some of our poor choices not because it wants to punish us but because it is natural. Balance is an important theme in my life, which is clos to moderation. I don’t think that things have to be equal to be in balance because some things carry different value….. I suppose you are right, we will have to talk and I quite look forward to it.

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Large up MTH. Then like Ms. Lou says “….come mek mi hol’ yu hand”. Mi deh yah pose off like double six. Yu ‘traight?

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You mentioned God being emotionless and I am lost as to the idea of God punishing the “wicked” while rewarding the “good”. Does he/she/it adjust to changes in manmade laws? And if that idea is true, how did the horrific trespasses of slavery happen or the terrible things that happen to kids (even in the Church)? It burns me to no end when some disaster happens and some religious J-ass says “well, God must be punishing them” as if nothing bad has ever happened in their life. Ridiculous….

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Yow mi fambo, YW wad up? Long time mi nuh si yu!!!!

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Nuh true. Some of them worship the bible more than God.

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Blessed morning to you Obara Meji!! I hope you are well and in fine spirits. No man…I just now going through the posts to se what ah missed.

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When you mention the rastaman living in the hills it makes me think of our ideas on success within our monetary driven society. Your thought on spirituality awakening you resonates with me. There are times when we have to accept knowing with knowing why we know. I too, am always up to a debate. Not because I like to argue but because I like to learn. While I may not change my view or change the other person’s, my wish is that we may leave the discussion having gained some insight.

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…accept knowing withOUT knowing …

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Blouse and skirt!!! I caan believe I missed this discussion but I am compelled to post nonetheless. This is a great post that touches on so many topics. I grew up in a Catholic home as well. As a kid I would be perturbed by a few of the things I was taught. They said there is only one God but, to me, you had the one of “fire and brimstone” that would rain down destruction on us in his righteous fury. Then there was the kind, forgiving one that told us to turn the other cheek. When I was around the priests, I was not awed by them. Many religious people talk from a standpoint of superiority (whether moral or knowledge) which I could not conjoin with the tenet of humility (which dem tll wi bout). When I did confession I was even more confused. How could a mere man absolve my sins? In any event, that whole period of my life was a great learning experience which I gained a fair bit of self insight from.

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afternoon gentle ppl spirituality vs religion. yu broke suh many things down that have plagued my mind for some time Obara ii have attended church most a mi life even up til this year. i just felt like sum thing was missing n either dem church ppl a fake or is me a fake. i memba last year tellig some one that i had not attended church in awhile n i wasn’t feeling church. when she asked why i told her it is so much the pastor doesn’t discuss and that bothers me. why is tithing, building fund, marriage, living righteous, loving my brother etc the only sermons. what happen to Jesus after him teen years, how Mary preggo wid out sex, if God made all a wi why must i look down on my neighbors that guh a mosque or shun my gay family, how we made in sin(bastards) but God know when wi have baby out of wedlock, why all the single sisters in church cuss fornication but secretly lusting lol plus many more questions plagued me. I felt restrained, convicted all the time and knew I needed to free up. My Ori knew… spirituality is helping me be a better me. i feel free to love and learn about God, my guides, my orisha, Sango and the others. i feel confident in what i am learning with ES n look forward to continuing this journey with you all.

Obara You are very honest in your writing. you share what you can with ES and make it all seem so simple. ES gives me plenty “aha” moments lol Thank you Obara and all ES family for what yu bring to each post. i am so glad to be awake and no longer sleep. 🙂

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You just have to know who you are and follow your head…

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Bless up my fambo…Sorry I was not able to blog as much yesterday…

Ty, I had a simillar experience like you mom…When I became pregnant, I was living with my mom and would go to my dad on weekends and holidays. My brotherhad gotten into trouble and mymother attention was on him. Every thing was for my big brother and sister.

When I got pregnant, my mother said I could not stay in her house, so of course she carted me off to my dad. She told me ‘any wey yu ketch yu cold, guh blow yu nose’… So I lived with my dad. My dad didnt shun me and in fact because he didnt shun me, my mother in her nasty mind, thought it musthave been incest. I was a good girl/didnt have any boyfriend, so I must have been pregnant formy father.’ That’s when I lost all respect for her.

She might have forgotten what she said, but I certainly have not…Anyways, after my daughter was born and she quickly warmed up to her. Time came for the christening and she took us to the church…I sat in church the entire time, all now pastor nuh call wi. If was after the church service my mother took me to the church’s office and that was there pastor christened my daughter…She was a bastard and I was a teenaged mother so no way could my precious daughter be christened in the church…

What bun midi most wasseeing my mother grinning like a chesire cat, with the disrespect from the pastor…I should have given him one swift kick up his ass.

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afternoon everyone… catching up on the posts…

I am so sorry for your journey MTH…some a dem pastor here out a hand…the funny thing is that the same one that called me a bastard, never did born from a marriage union and was for a married man.. hypocrite..

dem no know seh God created ALL children..

Prayers, love and light to my ESP fambo, I love unno bad…

Obara we love you like no other…

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This post was awesome, much too often do people confuse the two(religion and spirituality). The irony of this confusion is many what I refer to as, “religious fanatics” are quick to tell you that they are spiritual people because they attend church regularly as what I refer to as a religious formality. This is not a judgement or generalization, but a mere observation. The words spirituality and religion are all too often used interchangeably.I have had conversations with so-called “spiritual” people that don’t even acknowledge the existence of spirit or spirits for that matter, now if that isn`t an oxymoron I don’t know what is. I am glad that Obara was moved to take the time to” speak the truth and tell the facts” as the holy odu Ifa Osa Otura states: Speak he truth tell the facts. Those that speak the truth are those whom the deity will help. ..Ire O!

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Great responses.

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Odaro Obara and Ty!

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I will pray for Mumzy… We all take her over as fi we mother…

Nuh worry she will trample di snake under grass…

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Thanks Ty

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Mi deh beg unoo pray fi di mumzy fi mi. Shi have meeting at work in the mawning. And is she and a “snake unda grass” co-worker deh meet up wid di boss, suh please pray seh everything guh well fi mi yuh si

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Christianity taught me to love and be humble, which aim trying daily…I hate the dogma of the religion and refuse to be anything they subscribe…

I still read my bible daily, mostly psalms and proverbs…

I am not sure where my journey will take me but finally I am excited…

I get up early every morning, to get to tune into myself…I praise God, I honor my ancestors and my guides, I meditate, and I feel loved…

I am calmer, centered, and ready for getting to know my true self…

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At night before I go to bed, I pray and I do my introspection…I try to recall the major events of the day and see if I could have done them differently…

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I agree with every word Ty. That sums it up neatly

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Mi glad that mi have the alter it’s so soothing to pray there

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Yes Nunu…I call Obara’ name every morning, I pray for her family because it was her post that made me do it…

I emailed her on a Sunday with pics of my altar and she answered me…I almost cried because she was so sweet and I was not sure if I was interrupting her family time…

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Yes I am, my omo orisha is no other than Yeye Osun…I love her dearly…for all the times I needed my parents, she was always with me…

But you see how life is, that this man also knew she was my Orisha…

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I honor, praise, and thank my grandfather daily…because the last time I went to church was for his funeral…

Then as I looked to Hindiusm, Buddhism, etc…my grandfather dreamed my husband ( unno know seh mi nuh dream) and tell him to get a Ganesha and showed him some crystals to get…

So I ran to the Indian store and got Ganesh ( Esu), while I there the owner checked me out at the cash register and asked me if it was for me, I said no…he said good for you are to get Lashkmi (Osun)…

I began reading the Hindi stories and fell in love with hanuman ( ogun)… In reading about him, I met Ogun…I was convinced Ogun was my Orisha, I wanted someone to fight fir me and my favorite color is green…

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Exactly! I don’t like the condescending and disparaging thing at all! Mi deh work hard at not being judgemental

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My spiritual journey came out of that very frustration…I saw no love…

I saw hypocrites, beggars ( di pastor dem), condemers, and judgemental freaks…they refused to defend their positions, all I heard was God is all knowing, and you cannot understand everything in the bible…

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So true Obara…

I was searching before…my father refuse to go to church because him seh it not fattening no pastor pocket…

Di last time I went to church was for my grandfathers funeral…

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Is suh I went to church one Sunday and this young girl was pregnant and in order for her to get re accepted into the church she had to beg for forgiveness, I never forgot that day, shi was on her knees bawling her eyes out at the alter and shi heng on tuh har mumma frack and seh, mama mi deh beg yuh forgive mi!! Pastor please mi sorry!!! They made that girl feel worthless her mother didn’t even acknowledge her. Mi couldn’t tek it!

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It bun me you see…she should a spit inna him face… Renk…

Dem nuh know seh children are blessings…

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Another catholic priest came in to pray for him and told him if he gave his life and heart to Jesus, he may walk again…so he decided to do just that and became a catholic priest…he had a daughter prior to this…

I think this made him an unconventional priest…he taught me a lot and was there for me when I needed someone to talk to…

He however was upset with me because after sixth form I refused to go to a catholic university… He still blessed me, wid olive oil and gave me a fixed rosary for protection to guide me on my journey…

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There are so many stories I could tell…

It was Christianity that led to my spiritual path…in high school, I met a wonder catholic priest who became a priest after the age 50. He was in a car accident due to drinking and driving…he was laid up in the hospital and was told he would never walk again, everyone else in the accident died and he was the only survivor…

He had survivors guilt..

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Night and manners to everyone…I had a busy day at work then went to an excercise class….

Love di post Obara, it sums it up so nicely….I remember in a previous post your daughter said one of your gift was to give people hope, which I agree with…but I will also add that you have mastered how to make a complex topic seem simple while entertaining us and carrying us on a journey….no tea trip needed, we just need to keep reading the posts…

Lawd I don’t know where to start wid di religion thing…my first ordeal with religion was that my mom got pregnant with me at age 18, she was not married and my dad did not marry her at the time because she was pregnant…my mom was a member of a church and when I was born and she tried to christen me, the pastor refused to do it during a church service….because I was a bastard, his words not mine…so I was christened in the pastor’s office one early a weekday morning with only mom as the witness…

That was my first experience wid religion…

None of my children are christened, I refuse to put them thru that…

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I can’t believe he actually use the word bastard! What a outta orda parson dat!

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Mi seh Toy, mi remember mi tek all mi money down tuh the likkle coin dem mi coulda find,guh tithe caws pastor tell wi fi fast fi one whole month and tithe while wi fast, “love”offering and all and at the end of the month house, car, etc etc will be ours, needless to say a ongle pasten an him breddrin dem role out.

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What??? Smh. Nunu, I don’t want to laugh, but that was so cold. Obara, thanks for answering my question in the peanut post.

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Nuh chue! Mi dead fi hungry fi di month belly operation tek mi

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That’s what I am here for Toy

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My manners Ekale everyone!

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Hi toy!

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Ok mi wi wait

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I love these points on Spiritually. Thanks teach!

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Really Nunu? Prophetess ah ole teef

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Same suh Toy

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Lol mi seh!

Obara meji
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Welcome mi nunsi nuh figet de dream enuh ah coming

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Evening people! Soon come…mi reading an writing

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Sister O…you stay up late fi dis one ma? lol. Yu have a thing for the “Fortis” men…me too…while one, lol.

All I can say is that I have always repelled the Christian faith. The shoutings in church frightened me, the speaking in tongues annoyed me although the person doing it fascinated me. But i always hated church. I know of a creator and the unforeseen things and nature and that was always good enough for me. For me the Jesus stories never took. I always fell asleep and my family just made bench space so I can go sleep.

I remember being told about saving myself for christ…molestation did already take that up, and the older I got I wondered why good people and children got hurt if the Christian tales stated otherwise. I always found comfort with my unseen guests and the voices and the unexplained. I will go to a church on a christening, wedding or children event invitation…nothing else. I stay at the door or yard/car park for funerals (glad its a taboo…lol).

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You know what turned me off, I went yo church and the prophetess said, God is getting ready to give a huge blessing but first you need to tithe exactly $1000 to receive it. So that means no $1000 no blessing? Didn’t sit well with me atall. I was also TURNED AWAY from a church because I didn’t have the required amount of money to pay for “learning tools” that were needed

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Same here but it was the pastor that turned me off. I was 12 yrs old and when the pastor said when he use to drive his pinto (his words verbatim) he would hide from his congregation, but when he got his Bentley he didn’t have to hide no more. He went on and on about all of what he had and my aunt who was struggling was giving him all her money. She even sold her car and she is on the bus today, day. I was like, I am good, because if you are doing work for God why does it matter what you are driving. I never looked back at the chruch, but I knew I loved God, but church wasn’t for me.

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Wowza! Talk about striking a chord. I am going to share this with my mother. Perhaps it will help her understand better why I have always studied other religions and practiced what felt right to me instead of remaining and straight laced catholic school girl.
Thank you teacher, you shed light in so many places.

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