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This Thursday September 25th 2014 in our book club discussion MTH has provided us with the material and what a material it is whew! (de ooman sen we all back ah school, lol). Our Yw has agreed to moderate for MTH, it has been confirmed. This discussion will be based on a series of videos and a paper she has provided on a very important subject I believe, and something we really ought to take notice of because it is on the rise. You will find the links posted below, please be here and ready.

 

We thank Cami for a job well done last night, although many thought the discussion, based upon the topic would be uncomfortable, we had a blast and I am sure others who were here would agree. We appreciate you Cami for an excellent job, well done,we had a great time, I cannot say it enough. Again thank you all for showing up, although some were missing, but the interaction was outstanding, kudos to you all. Knowledge is Key and so we push forward to the next, please be on time as we aim to begin @ 8 pm.

 

 

 The Subject is Suicide and Self Esteem

 

 

 

Suicide is the act of taking one’s own life on purpose. Suicidal behavior is any action that could cause a person to die, such as taking a drug overdose or crashing a car on purpose.

Recently, beloved funny-man, Robin Williams committed suicide and had the world talking. People were sad, some saw it as a sign of weakness, others saw it as a means of escape. While some will never fully understand what would make someone who seems to be successful, popular, rich, or just seem to have it together, commit such an act.

 

In the late 1990s one of my favourite singer, Phyllis Hyman committed suicide. Phyllis had reasonable success and for years, in my teenage mind, I could not fathom how a big-big superstar could do something like that. However, as I grew and saw how difficult life can get, I can somehow understand why someone would take that route.

So what truly causes suicide?

Suicide and suicidal behaviors usually occur in people with one or more of the following:

I recently came across an article on the internet that states that the time spent on popular social media, Facebook can lead to depression and or narcissistic tendencies http://guardianlv.com/2013/08/facebook-causes-depression-new-study-says/

 

Suicide is the second most common killer of university students in America (surpassed only by vehicular accidents). It’s estimated that 1.5 students out of every 100 will commit suicide at some point during their college career. Depression is cited as a major factor, as well as anxiety. Suicide rates among college students have increased by 200 percent since the 1950s. http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/09/18/college-drove-me-to-the-brink-of-suicide/

 

It is human to want to fit in, to belong to feel love and appreciated. We all want to know we have a safe haven where we can retreat to be embraced for who we are, be refreshed and be appreciated for who we are.  When that feeling is not met, some people will resort to committing suicide.

Causes

Suicide and suicidal behaviors usually occur in people with one or more of the following:

People who try to commit suicide are often trying to get away from a situation that seems impossible to deal with. Many who make a suicide attempt are seeking relief from:

  • Feeling ashamed, guilty, or like a burden to others
  • Feeling like a victim
  • Feelings of rejection, loss, or loneliness

Suicidal behaviors may occur when there is a situation or event that the person finds overwhelming, such as:

  • Aging (the elderly have the highest rate of suicide)
  • Death of a loved one
  • Drug or alcohol use
  • Emotional trauma
  • Serious physical illness
  • Unemployment or money problems

Risk factors for suicide in teenagers include:

  • Access to guns
  • Family member who committed suicide
  • History of hurting themselves on purpose
  • History of being neglected or abused
  • Living in communities where there have been recent outbreaks of suicide in young people
  • Romantic breakup

Most suicide attempts do not result in death. Many of these attempts are done in a way that makes rescue possible. These attempts are often a cry for help.

Some people attempt suicide in a way that is less likely to be fatal, such as poisoning or overdose. Men are more likely to choose violent methods, such as shooting themselves. As a result, suicide attempts by men are more likely to result in death.

Relatives of people who attempt or commit suicide often blame themselves or become very angry. They may see the suicide attempt as selfish. However, people who try to commit suicide often mistakenly believe that they are doing their friends and relatives a favor by taking themselves out of the world.

Symptoms

Often, but not always, a person may show certain signs and behaviors before a suicide attempt, such as:

  • Having trouble concentrating or thinking clearly
  • Giving away belongings
  • Talking about going away or the need to “get my affairs in order”
  • Suddenly changing behavior, especially calmness after a period of anxiety
  • Losing interest in activities they used to enjoy
  • Self-destructive behaviors, such as heavily drinking alcohol, using illegal drugs, or cutting their body
  • Pulling away from friends or not wanting to go out
  • Suddenly having trouble in school or work
  • Talking about death or suicide, or even saying that they want to hurt themselves
  • Talking about feeling hopeless or guilty
  • Changing sleep or eating habits
  • Arranging ways to take their own life (such as buying a gun or many pills)

Treatment

People who are at risk of suicidal behavior may not seek treatment for many reasons, including:

  • They believe nothing will help
  • They do not want to tell anyone they have problems
  • They think asking for help is a sign of weakness
  • They do not know where to go for help

People who try to commit suicide may need to stay in a hospital for treatment and to reduce the risk of future attempts. Therapy is one of the most important parts of treatment.

Any mental health disorder that may have led to the suicide attempt should be evaluated and treated. This includes:

  • Bipolar disorder
  • Borderline personality disorder
  • Drug or alcohol dependence
  • Major depression
  • Schizophrenia

Always take suicide attempts and threats seriously.

Outlook (Prognosis)

About one-third of people who try to commit suicide will try again within 1 year. About 10% of people who threaten or try to commit suicide will eventually kill themselves.

When to Contact a Medical Professional

Call a health care provider right away if you or someone you know is having thoughts of suicide. The person needs mental health care right away. Do not dismiss the person as just trying to get attention.

Prevention

Avoiding alcohol and drugs (other than prescribed medicines) can reduce the risk of suicide.

In homes with children or teenagers:

  • Keep all prescription medicines high up and locked.
  • Do not keep alcohol in the home or keep it locked up.
  • Do not keep guns in the home. If you do keep guns in the home, lock them and keep the bullets separate.

Never ignore a suicide threat or attempted suicide.

Questions that we can look at:-

 

  1. Is suicide a sign of weakness?
  2. How do you think that you would deal with a loved one committing suicide?

 

  1. Is the reason behind committing suicide important?

 

  1. People have solicited the help of others to commit suicide, do you:

 

    1. Agree with this
    2. Would you assist someone in committing suicide (with knowledge that they will have to come back this realm because they would have failed this test)

 

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Ƭhiѕ site сertainly hɑs аll the info I needed aƅout this subject ɑnd
ⅾidn’t ҝnow ᴡһo to ask.

MTH
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MTH

Cami me mI pull down the shutter it nuh look like nunu and toy a come school, Cami yes mi have 2 Chilvren. Night night sweet dreams

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Peace and love to one and; I am in debt to you all!!!

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Yw, I greatly appreciate the reasoning–much appreciated sir!

MTH
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MTH

When one’s self-esteem is shattered, depression normally sets in thus one’s thoughts can become irrational. When are to be the head of the family, the providers. However when an am truly wants to provide for his family and seeks job after job and gets rejection time and time again, that must some how does something to his self-worth.

MTH
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MTH

Yw tel care.

Cami
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Lalibela, Let’s lock de shop fi de night yah. MTH, you still in the backroom? If so, then you and Lalibela lock dung the shutters! I am off to bed and we can continue in the new dawn. Blessings on you both, and hugs to Lalibela little bambinos. ASE

BTW, MTH you have children don’t?

Yazzy, yu tek time go doze of and NuNu puss blessings all around ladies. Ase

Obara Meji! Good Morning Ooo, Ase.

MTH
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MTH

ECami when I said Egbe played a role in one’s life, I didn’t mean pushing them to commit suicide. What I meant was that one might not have a husband/wife etc and think this life is meaningless and tries to end his/her life.

Yw
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Yw

Night, night all!1 Thanks for everything but I gotta get some sleep… Cami: Shamo, ooo, gonnnaa, ooo – if yu doan get it is Mike Jackson…Obara Meji, great night! Mr. Nile thanks for the debate. I truly appreciate it. Mth mi haffi ketch up wid yu lata, pardi. Anyone still up that I did not mention: Good night!!

MTH
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MTH

More and more I see my people giving up hope. Since coming here on ES I have learn about egbe and know that plays a role in one’s life. However when I see grown people who are contemplating suicide as they feel there is no hope. Working for years and no real advancement. I have learnt that many ppl upon retirement consider suicide more than when they were younger. They see themselves as old and not having the routine of work which some might have held for upwards of 50 years. To wake up a d have nowhere to go,… Read more »

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Yw, no matter how much clarity we think we have, we do have our conditioned prejudices and no matter how I look at suicide, I still conclude that it is never positive. A lot of people say that they don’t support homosexuality–until someone close to them is discovered to be gay. I contend that I will never support homosexuality no matter what. Suicide can be looked at in the same regard; a lot of won’t support it until we faced with a family member who is requesting to be mercy killed. I want to tell you that I still won’t… Read more »

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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I agree with you MTH…

MTH
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MTH

YW thanks for holding down the spot for me. Niles thank you as well. Obara, Cami, Courtney, Yazzy, Ty, Nyaha1 and all the peepers, respect.

In my mind how Whitney and Michael Jackson treated themselves is akin to suicide.

MTH
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MTH

It took me forever to read. I didn’t want to miss any of the comments.

Guys, seriously, I have heard a few ppl say how life is hard in Jamaica and I know of 2 ppl that are very suicidal. There is just so little hope. There is just the heavy burden seeming to be overtaking the place. Maybe because our murder rate is so high, like the blood is crying from the grave.

nyaha1
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Good night, good people, logging off. It has been interesting reading the comments.

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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DNR is very tricky in that the agenda of the person who is going to sign off on such need to be carefully understood. The husband might want to just move on with his life, the child might want to just expedite his/her access to their inheritance… They will all say that they don’t want the [suffering] person to continue suffering… Ask, is there an insurance policy in place!

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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[Yz] Would I give my life for my children? Put it this way, I am willing to die trying to ensure that my children can remain alive and secure.

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Sociology teaches us that we should not use our own societal norms and prejudices to just the social ways of another. If we are to approach Asian suicide in this regard, we would conclude that when an Asian commit suicide, the act is admirable and honorable.

However, since sociology is loaded with theories and different school of thoughts that govern them, I have likewise elected not to buy into the notion of the honorable suicide…

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Yw, would you not agree that a spiritually sound person would not find the need to commit suicide? Regardless if that person is shackled, imprisoned, suffering or experiencing any other form of flesh bound/material distress?

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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This suicide thing is truly thought provoking. I have my convictions and yet still I find myself swaying in some areas…

MTH
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MTH

Night night everyone I finally got on. Let me go read the comments then join in.

Yw
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Yw

For me, the idea that life is sacred is great but the circumstances of life may not be so great. Does merely having life mean we are living? If we are imprisoned, shackled, chained with no hope of improvement, is that living? Is that a life worth living? Is the lesson to endure? Simply endure….

Cami
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I honestly can’t say which is right or wrong. I do agree with Nile on the suicide being honorable just to appease those that have been offended “the fall on the sword” thing I can’t relate to because the act is self serving/free will.

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Euthanasia if legal would be a state sanctioned suicide and that does not sit well with me. With Obara stating that individuals who commit suicide are re-born instantly, I further confirm that suicide is never a good thing. As for the Asians, they need to unlearn the behavior that associate suicide with honor. Years ago I wrote a paper opposing Jack Kevorkian [modern day Dr. Death] and euthanasia campaign–he is the doctor who spent years in prison for assisting his patients with their suicide desires. I did not support him then and I don’t support euthanasia today. Here is the… Read more »

Yazzy
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Yazzy

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOO Yw!!! Di way b mi laff mi all a snort! Eww! No.. yuh good. . Ty need fi come get yuh! Jeezas crise… mi cyah laff nu more!

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Yazzy, what a gwaan? We deh ya same way!!!

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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LOL, SEEMINGLY, I’ve missed out on a lot. Something that should have taken a few minutes, ended up taking up a lot of time…

kiabubblez
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kiabubblez

Cami lol mi deh yah ma page a slow up n mi turn peeper. A think bout what moral to me immoral to another…i get it.

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Sorry all, I had to step away to finish up some work…

Yw
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Yw

Class: Ty look like she gone bed…mi naw sey nutten else…Cami nuh bodda wid mi…

Courtney
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I agree with cami *behaving now*

Yazzy
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Yazzy

Yw, I love your spin on this suicide topic… ppl weh nyam and nyan and jus a nyam everyting weh dem see and smell… is like dem a silently commit suicide to. I think suicide holds too much of a stigma to it. I loved your point on how it’s all about perceptions. Certain Jobs one would consider suicidal… risqué. .. yet it’s enjoyable. Ppl a screw without condoms and a bag a partner or even one partner is suicidal … I can go on and on

Courtney
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I think the right toy in the right situation can go far!!!

Courtney
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Lol listen it was too heavy we have to lighten the mood

Courtney
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That’s why I can’t be no nun it ain’t for me!! Lmao no chile I still believe they is be getting it in. I want to have ladies nights and couples nights with toys and demonstrations the whole nine

Yw
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Yw

BLERT NEAT!!!! UNNO DID JUST WANT AN HEXCUSE……

Yw
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Yw

Alright, since Ty run gone…If someone has lung cancer and keep smoking is that suicide?

Courtney
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Listen a good joint and a burst will have u feeling ten times lighter….

Cami
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Cami

BOARD A BRUK DUNG! DWRCLLLLLLNNN COO PON FLIRTING! lolol

Yw
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Yw

Bwoy, mi nah do such a good job on this one so if someone want tek over, that ok wid me. OR we can gwan talk bout the forgiveness ting…What yu sey Obara?

Ty
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Growing up in ja, I never heard of suicides….now every month in the Jcan newspaper u hear bout suicides there…

New Name
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New Name

Come nuh man Teach.

Yw
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Yw

Night, night Yazsters!!

Yazzy
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Yazzy

Good night sweeties. Sorry I’m late. Had to relax and regroup for a sec… 1. I use to be think suicide was a sign of weakness but who are we to say that person was weak? I’ve seen some of the most courageously accomplished people commit suicide as well as your average Joe so for me it’s just a sign of distress and loneliness but not weakness. 2. Thank the heavens I’ve never actually had to deal with it and I have never mentally prepared for it but knowing me… it would bring me to my knees. I’d be filled… Read more »

Yw
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Sorry posted in the wrong spot: You know, I can’t speak on the spiritual side of this because I just do not know enough about it. In cases where emotions play a role in suicide I would say that it is a coping skill gone awry. Everyone faces problems daily but it is the way that we deal with the stresses of life. Because we feel things differently, what may be unbearable for me may be a walk in the park for someone else. However, I think of the views that many have on life…When life is just surviving, what… Read more »

New Name
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Christians believe that if a person commits suicide, they have no lot nor part with God. Also, those who commit suicide are buried in a different way (don’t remember the position). What do you guys think about that? and have you heard this saying before?

Cami
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Emile Durkhiem :” Durkheim explored the differing suicide rates among Protestants and Catholics, arguing that stronger social control among Catholics results in lower suicide rates. He also found that suicide rates were higher among men than women, higher for those who are single than those who are married, higher for people without children than people with children, higher among soldiers than civilians, and higher at times of peace than in times of war.” “Durkheim was the first to argue that the causes of suicide were to be found in social factors and not individual personalities.” Source: http://sociology.about.com/od/Works/a/Suicide.htm He went on… Read more »

New Name
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New Name

In other words Obara, if someone commits suicide, they have to return again and again until they get over their hurdle/problem?

Courtney
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So if one comes back deformed what does that do… Are they hoping to shorten the lifespan so they can move on

kiabubblez
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kiabubblez

Evening all i do not agree with suicide. While life gets heavy at times for me, i want to keep living. For others it may not be that easy so they give up. When we see people like phyllis, robin, kurt corbin who we think have everything we wonder why. Yu just cant kno a persons heart or mind. Now i understand spiritually that suicide deaths have to come again to live their life over, it makes perfect sense. I dont want to watch someone suffer a terminal illness but im no kervokan. Im not helping them die so i… Read more »

Courtney
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That’s deep

Yw
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Yw

You know, maybe the spiritual part was not the best place for me to start…. I do not know anything definitively but maybe someone committing suicide had some higher purpose…WT…Well, Rob Will committing suicide opened up a discussion on the topic. Sorry a bit off for some reason….

nyaha1
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nyaha1

Good evening good people. I am not sure about suicide from what I understand about death there are several “types” your spirit leaves (it was time for you to die), your body can’t take it (sometimes the spirit refuses to leave earth or your spirit can also leave cause it was also time for you to die) and emotional death (where your will to die is very strong. This can then lead to a physical death by suicide or even a disease that kills you). I am not an expert on this though, I am learning all this now

Ty
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Most people who attempt suicide are reaching out for help ( in the western culture)…most are not successful…

Ty
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In Asain cultures, suicides are acceptable and considered honorable…for example a CEO runs a company into the ground and people lose money, lives, etc due his decisions…he will commit suicide to absolve himself from his actions…

In our western thoughts, this is wrong…

In the eastern thought, he is forgiven…

Ty
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Physical death is not final…as to what happens after depends on the path and the way you led your life on this realm…

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Is suicide a sign of weakness? The person committing suicide is not always of the opinion that suicide is a a cowardice act—factor in cultural conditioning. How do you think that you would deal with a loved one committing suicide? This is a hard one to answer… Is the reason behind committing suicide important? Since I conclude that suicide that wrong, the reason matters not… People have solicited the help of others to commit suicide, do you Agree with this? No I do not agree with no form of suicide… Would you assist someone in committing suicide (with knowledge that… Read more »

Ty
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I am just getting into the spirituality aspects of life so I am no expert here…but often times, if you give up the will to live, you die….I am not sure of the impact on the spirit…I would think it depends on if you completed the lessons you were to learn in the cycle or not…

Yw
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Yw

So, I hear some survivor stories, where people say they lived because they REFUSED to die. That makes me wonder about death and our views on it.

Yw
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Yw

Class, I would like to get to the will behind death and if that is suicide. Cami answered no because there is no physical harm but does the loss of will harm the spirit?

Ty
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The will to live is a flame that must be kept kindled….

All suicides are not equal… I like the analogy of the samarai…their suicide was more of a sacrifice….

There are solders, fire fighters and police officers who put their lives on the line knowing that they will die…some may call this suicide because the know they will die and still forge on,..

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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With a Judeo-Christian upbringing, I was taught that individuals don’t get absolved for committing suicide. Naturally, if you are no longer alive an individual cannot show contrition and repent/atone for said sin. Then you find that in other cultures, the act of suicide is regarded as an act of valor and honor. Muslims don’t regard suicide—under the auspice of jihad—as a cowardice act. Shame derived from great disappointment/dishonor of others often times compel Japanese to commit suicide. Here in the West, suicide is highly shunned as it is associated with a life rife with issues—a troubled person. With the different… Read more »

Cami
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Cami

Is suicide a sign of weakness? A: Not of the mind but of the spirit. How do you think that you would deal with a loved one committing suicide? A: Question of why would be ever present, other than that it was their choice. Is the reason behind committing suicide important? A: Yes. So that I’ll know my role and if I could have been of more help to the person. People have solicited the help of others to commit suicide, do you: Agree with this: Answer: It’s not my right to agree. Would you assist someone in committing suicide… Read more »

Courtney
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1. I personally have suffered from depression it is a dark hole that can consume you it can cause you to act out if character and it is a chemical imbalance. Though it would not be my choice unless you have walked in another’s shoes we cannot pass judgements. 2. Depends on the level of attachment. I have a very big fun loving warm family it would not be good. 3. I think the reason is important. What seems trivial to us was intense enough for someone to end their life it will help get to the root cause if… Read more »

Ty
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Present ….

Night everyone…Cami, Obara, yw….large up

I am cool with starting with #5

Cami
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Cami

Good night, night…my computer acting shady.

Yw
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Yw

Hello Obara Meji, the ES fambo, all peepers (of ES only, of course), and everyone else!! This, in my opinion, is too big a topic to do in one go. So, I suggest that we deal with the issue of suicide in parts. If the class agrees, where do we start? If it is ok with all, we could start at #5. and just touch on the other points….
1. Cultural POV (point of View)
2. Emotional POV/coping mechanisms
3. Psycological (mental health issues)
4. Other Health (Terminal illness or comas)
5. Spiritual

Yw
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Yw

1. Is suicide a sign of weakness? – That is a matter of….you guessed it: PERSPECTIVE. Some samurai would commit Harakiri, which is type Seppuku or suicide. Check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seppuku for a little more. 2. How do you think that you would deal with a loved one committing suicide? – That is hard to say and I do not put energy into such thoughts. 3. Is the reason behind committing suicide important? To the living. Suicide deals with death which, to me, is a concept for the living. This is behind the view that suicide is a sign of weakness.… Read more »

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