September 19, 2014 Obara Meji 245Comment

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This Thursday September 25th 2014 in our book club discussion MTH has provided us with the material and what a material it is whew! (de ooman sen we all back ah school, lol). Our Yw has agreed to moderate for MTH, it has been confirmed. This discussion will be based on a series of videos and a paper she has provided on a very important subject I believe, and something we really ought to take notice of because it is on the rise. You will find the links posted below, please be here and ready.

 

We thank Cami for a job well done last night, although many thought the discussion, based upon the topic would be uncomfortable, we had a blast and I am sure others who were here would agree. We appreciate you Cami for an excellent job, well done,we had a great time, I cannot say it enough. Again thank you all for showing up, although some were missing, but the interaction was outstanding, kudos to you all. Knowledge is Key and so we push forward to the next, please be on time as we aim to begin @ 8 pm.

 

 

 The Subject is Suicide and Self Esteem

 

 

 

Suicide is the act of taking one’s own life on purpose. Suicidal behavior is any action that could cause a person to die, such as taking a drug overdose or crashing a car on purpose.

Recently, beloved funny-man, Robin Williams committed suicide and had the world talking. People were sad, some saw it as a sign of weakness, others saw it as a means of escape. While some will never fully understand what would make someone who seems to be successful, popular, rich, or just seem to have it together, commit such an act.

 

In the late 1990s one of my favourite singer, Phyllis Hyman committed suicide. Phyllis had reasonable success and for years, in my teenage mind, I could not fathom how a big-big superstar could do something like that. However, as I grew and saw how difficult life can get, I can somehow understand why someone would take that route.

So what truly causes suicide?

Suicide and suicidal behaviors usually occur in people with one or more of the following:

I recently came across an article on the internet that states that the time spent on popular social media, Facebook can lead to depression and or narcissistic tendencies http://guardianlv.com/2013/08/facebook-causes-depression-new-study-says/

 

Suicide is the second most common killer of university students in America (surpassed only by vehicular accidents). It’s estimated that 1.5 students out of every 100 will commit suicide at some point during their college career. Depression is cited as a major factor, as well as anxiety. Suicide rates among college students have increased by 200 percent since the 1950s. http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/09/18/college-drove-me-to-the-brink-of-suicide/

 

It is human to want to fit in, to belong to feel love and appreciated. We all want to know we have a safe haven where we can retreat to be embraced for who we are, be refreshed and be appreciated for who we are.  When that feeling is not met, some people will resort to committing suicide.

Causes

Suicide and suicidal behaviors usually occur in people with one or more of the following:

People who try to commit suicide are often trying to get away from a situation that seems impossible to deal with. Many who make a suicide attempt are seeking relief from:

  • Feeling ashamed, guilty, or like a burden to others
  • Feeling like a victim
  • Feelings of rejection, loss, or loneliness

Suicidal behaviors may occur when there is a situation or event that the person finds overwhelming, such as:

  • Aging (the elderly have the highest rate of suicide)
  • Death of a loved one
  • Drug or alcohol use
  • Emotional trauma
  • Serious physical illness
  • Unemployment or money problems

Risk factors for suicide in teenagers include:

  • Access to guns
  • Family member who committed suicide
  • History of hurting themselves on purpose
  • History of being neglected or abused
  • Living in communities where there have been recent outbreaks of suicide in young people
  • Romantic breakup

Most suicide attempts do not result in death. Many of these attempts are done in a way that makes rescue possible. These attempts are often a cry for help.

Some people attempt suicide in a way that is less likely to be fatal, such as poisoning or overdose. Men are more likely to choose violent methods, such as shooting themselves. As a result, suicide attempts by men are more likely to result in death.

Relatives of people who attempt or commit suicide often blame themselves or become very angry. They may see the suicide attempt as selfish. However, people who try to commit suicide often mistakenly believe that they are doing their friends and relatives a favor by taking themselves out of the world.

Symptoms

Often, but not always, a person may show certain signs and behaviors before a suicide attempt, such as:

  • Having trouble concentrating or thinking clearly
  • Giving away belongings
  • Talking about going away or the need to “get my affairs in order”
  • Suddenly changing behavior, especially calmness after a period of anxiety
  • Losing interest in activities they used to enjoy
  • Self-destructive behaviors, such as heavily drinking alcohol, using illegal drugs, or cutting their body
  • Pulling away from friends or not wanting to go out
  • Suddenly having trouble in school or work
  • Talking about death or suicide, or even saying that they want to hurt themselves
  • Talking about feeling hopeless or guilty
  • Changing sleep or eating habits
  • Arranging ways to take their own life (such as buying a gun or many pills)

Treatment

People who are at risk of suicidal behavior may not seek treatment for many reasons, including:

  • They believe nothing will help
  • They do not want to tell anyone they have problems
  • They think asking for help is a sign of weakness
  • They do not know where to go for help

People who try to commit suicide may need to stay in a hospital for treatment and to reduce the risk of future attempts. Therapy is one of the most important parts of treatment.

Any mental health disorder that may have led to the suicide attempt should be evaluated and treated. This includes:

  • Bipolar disorder
  • Borderline personality disorder
  • Drug or alcohol dependence
  • Major depression
  • Schizophrenia

Always take suicide attempts and threats seriously.

Outlook (Prognosis)

About one-third of people who try to commit suicide will try again within 1 year. About 10% of people who threaten or try to commit suicide will eventually kill themselves.

When to Contact a Medical Professional

Call a health care provider right away if you or someone you know is having thoughts of suicide. The person needs mental health care right away. Do not dismiss the person as just trying to get attention.

Prevention

Avoiding alcohol and drugs (other than prescribed medicines) can reduce the risk of suicide.

In homes with children or teenagers:

  • Keep all prescription medicines high up and locked.
  • Do not keep alcohol in the home or keep it locked up.
  • Do not keep guns in the home. If you do keep guns in the home, lock them and keep the bullets separate.

Never ignore a suicide threat or attempted suicide.

Questions that we can look at:-

 

  1. Is suicide a sign of weakness?
  2. How do you think that you would deal with a loved one committing suicide?

 

  1. Is the reason behind committing suicide important?

 

  1. People have solicited the help of others to commit suicide, do you:

 

    1. Agree with this
    2. Would you assist someone in committing suicide (with knowledge that they will have to come back this realm because they would have failed this test)

 

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MTH
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Cami me mI pull down the shutter it nuh look like nunu and toy a come school, Cami yes mi have 2 Chilvren. Night night sweet dreams

Cami
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Ok. I read of Big M but didn’t quiet get the full. Okay so is Big M and Little M. got it.

Lalibela and we in debt to you for your time and knowledge, big ups!

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Peace and love to one and; I am in debt to you all!!!

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Yw, I greatly appreciate the reasoning–much appreciated sir!

MTH
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When one’s self-esteem is shattered, depression normally sets in thus one’s thoughts can become irrational. When are to be the head of the family, the providers. However when an am truly wants to provide for his family and seeks job after job and gets rejection time and time again, that must some how does something to his self-worth.

MTH
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Yw tel care.

Cami
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Lalibela, Let’s lock de shop fi de night yah. MTH, you still in the backroom? If so, then you and Lalibela lock dung the shutters! I am off to bed and we can continue in the new dawn. Blessings on you both, and hugs to Lalibela little bambinos. ASE

BTW, MTH you have children don’t?

Yazzy, yu tek time go doze of and NuNu puss blessings all around ladies. Ase

Obara Meji! Good Morning Ooo, Ase.

MTH
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ECami when I said Egbe played a role in one’s life, I didn’t mean pushing them to commit suicide. What I meant was that one might not have a husband/wife etc and think this life is meaningless and tries to end his/her life.

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lol, I got the play a role in one’s life. Guess I saw it as open ended. My bad. Catch me pon it in a de laters. Go sleep and enjoy your day at work. TGIF

Yw
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Night, night all!1 Thanks for everything but I gotta get some sleep… Cami: Shamo, ooo, gonnnaa, ooo – if yu doan get it is Mike Jackson…Obara Meji, great night! Mr. Nile thanks for the debate. I truly appreciate it. Mth mi haffi ketch up wid yu lata, pardi. Anyone still up that I did not mention: Good night!!

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Likewise sir!!!

Cami
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YW OOOOOOOO good night OOOOO big up Ty in the morning OO. LOVE the interaction. More blessings on you, Ty and the boys. ASE

MTH
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More and more I see my people giving up hope. Since coming here on ES I have learn about egbe and know that plays a role in one’s life. However when I see grown people who are contemplating suicide as they feel there is no hope. Working for years and no real advancement.

I have learnt that many ppl upon retirement consider suicide more than when they were younger. They see themselves as old and not having the routine of work which some might have held for upwards of 50 years. To wake up a d have nowhere to go, nobody to serve/interact with can cause serious damage (mentally) to some persons. This goes for even ppl with money. No meeting to attend, no deal to seal.

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MTH, I don’t think egbe send us towards suicidal contemplation or actions. Him love mischief yes but it’s the crossroads (which way do I choose) that he sends us to, but I don’t think suicide is it.

I contemplated but it was because of a lazy spirit…I was tired and wanted to give in but then the crossroads came into play and I saw multiple options. Those elders can have options as long as they are healthy and have a few shilling.

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Yw, no matter how much clarity we think we have, we do have our conditioned prejudices and no matter how I look at suicide, I still conclude that it is never positive.

A lot of people say that they don’t support homosexuality–until someone close to them is discovered to be gay. I contend that I will never support homosexuality no matter what. Suicide can be looked at in the same regard; a lot of won’t support it until we faced with a family member who is requesting to be mercy killed. I want to tell you that I still won’t support suicide then; however, I will refrain from saying absolutely never…

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I agree. I want it known, though, that I do not see suicide as positive. As for clarity… we all have to live in the best way that suits us. I appreciate your point of view and cannot say that we are in disagreement…is just an ironing out of our own thoughts..Big up!!

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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I agree with you MTH…

Cami
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I’d say Whitney more than Micheal. Micheal had a reason to live.

Yw
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BWAHAHAH!! Ah choo ting. heehee

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I thought I’d be asked why one had a reason to live and not the other? lol

MJ, had is come back tour which prophetically was named “This is it”…wooo.

Whitney, had to know that to get well intoxicated in a tub of water wasn’t a good idea.

Yw
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If is Whitney: The greatest love. If is mike: Liberian girl

Cami
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Bring it! lolol the thought hit me as I released the post…I’m waiting (like Kim K voice in bound2, dwln),

MTH
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YW thanks for holding down the spot for me. Niles thank you as well. Obara, Cami, Courtney, Yazzy, Ty, Nyaha1 and all the peepers, respect.

In my mind how Whitney and Michael Jackson treated themselves is akin to suicide.

Cami
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Me answer you and you run gone…cho

Yw
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Yu nuh know Fambo, ah suh wi do it fi each odda…

MTH
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It took me forever to read. I didn’t want to miss any of the comments.

Guys, seriously, I have heard a few ppl say how life is hard in Jamaica and I know of 2 ppl that are very suicidal. There is just so little hope. There is just the heavy burden seeming to be overtaking the place. Maybe because our murder rate is so high, like the blood is crying from the grave.

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MTH, it’s funny you should say that cause I see it the other way around. Thanks to the exposure of the struggles and hardship in Ja (while living there) that’s the ONLY reason why some are able to cope here. We learned how to turn our hands from there, hence the illusion that things are better for us in these foreign countries. If di Ppl dem a Ja only know bout

Cami
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That murder rate can be fixed when people stop harbor criminals.

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Good night, good people, logging off. It has been interesting reading the comments.

Cami
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Good Night, Nyaha

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Walk good nyaha1

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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DNR is very tricky in that the agenda of the person who is going to sign off on such need to be carefully understood. The husband might want to just move on with his life, the child might want to just expedite his/her access to their inheritance… They will all say that they don’t want the [suffering] person to continue suffering… Ask, is there an insurance policy in place!

Cami
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In my case there is no blood relatives as heir…the catholic church is the main one going to inherit. The one to church is guarantee 17M!

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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[Yz] Would I give my life for my children? Put it this way, I am willing to die trying to ensure that my children can remain alive and secure.

Cami
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Funny side of that coin… run into a building to save some children (can be strangers) and you don’t come out alive many will call you and hero, some will call you a fool and some will call it a suicide mission.

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Very good point Cami!!!

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Sociology teaches us that we should not use our own societal norms and prejudices to just the social ways of another. If we are to approach Asian suicide in this regard, we would conclude that when an Asian commit suicide, the act is admirable and honorable.

However, since sociology is loaded with theories and different school of thoughts that govern them, I have likewise elected not to buy into the notion of the honorable suicide…

Cami
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Too utilitarian for me…

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The issue, to me, is not whether suicide is honorable or not. It is about the view that is occurs through weakness. That implies a judgment…What are the ideas behind this judgment, where did they come from, and why do we keep them?

Cami
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Lalibela, you and Yw good for it…I do it out of mischief, onu tek it to a full on academic level and my brain is tired.

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“The culprit is that old RELIGION” Indoctrination at work…Add to that the real and imminent fear that many of the living have of death. Do I fear my own death? I would hazard a guess at no but I do fear the pain it would cause the ones I would leave behind….

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Yw and not Yz, you are posing some really thought provoking questions and as easy as it is to say that I don’t support suicide and that I link suicide to weakness, you are forcing me to further explore the path to my conclusion.

Hypocritical judgements are wrong; however, I buy into the notion that there is such a thing as reasonable judgement. Decisions can’t be made without proper judgement, I judge the activities/actions of my children. My issue has to do with hypocritical judgements…

When I analyze what I think is the psychology of the those who commit suicide, the common theme are usually associated with grave fear/weakness/suffering and misguidedness masked as being honor…

Cami
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The culprit is that old RELIGION.

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Yw, would you not agree that a spiritually sound person would not find the need to commit suicide? Regardless if that person is shackled, imprisoned, suffering or experiencing any other form of flesh bound/material distress?

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I cannot say that because I do not know all the circumstances of the world….In my experience, saying “I would never” only open the door to some event to try to make me understand….Maybe that is part of my lesson in this life. When you mention material distress are you including emotional suffering? Again here I cannot say but I do believe there are emotional pains out there so intense (that I may not have felt) that it manifests physically…The simplest definition of empathy is to put yourself in the other persons shoe but when you harness empathy it is exponentially more than that….

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Not saying is for me either but just want us to think of why we are so against it….When you say that from your view a spiritually sound person would overcome all, to me, that includes overcoming all the preconceived notions forced upon us from our birth to our death….Yw turn backwards is Wy..Same pronunciation as WHY…That is my question to all

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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I respect your response and in most cases, I am inclined to agree with you 100%. However, then I entertain the true essence of being spiritually sound–peak spirituality–and conclude that if a person aspired and attained peak spirituality, then said person would be able to overcome all.

Note that we all won’t get to remotely close our spiritual peak and it is for this reason why we are often times why were are misguided one way or the other.

I am not here to say that I am conditioned to always resist the temptations of suicide–yes, I include emotional pain–however, contending that I am currently sain, I do not support the act.

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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This suicide thing is truly thought provoking. I have my convictions and yet still I find myself swaying in some areas…

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Exactly Nile! Sway we must. If we can open our minds to other topics and leave room for have diff perception as Cami and Yw has said, then we can do the same here. If you think deep about the act of suicide you will see many layers to this and that there’s a stigma attached to it in society but most are done out of fear.

The other day you mention that some ppl only do good caz they fear the karma… and that analogy can be used here as well… most people don’t even entertain the thought of suicide out of fear …. which is never healthy.

MTH
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Night night everyone I finally got on. Let me go read the comments then join in.

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M!!!!!! yuh mek it baby girl!! Hurry come! Mi too happy fi see yuh.. mi NEED fi know why dis particular topic in all honesty!

Cami
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lolollllllll… YW! see MTH put on her bed slippas and dusta and come bout! lol

Yw
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Rahtid!!! It set now, yuh deh ya, pardi!!!

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For me, the idea that life is sacred is great but the circumstances of life may not be so great. Does merely having life mean we are living? If we are imprisoned, shackled, chained with no hope of improvement, is that living? Is that a life worth living? Is the lesson to endure? Simply endure….

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I honestly can’t say which is right or wrong. I do agree with Nile on the suicide being honorable just to appease those that have been offended “the fall on the sword” thing I can’t relate to because the act is self serving/free will.

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I wrote with numerous error. *the act of honorable suicide isn’t of free will,but base on conditioning through culture/society. Again Emile Durkheim.

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Hear how mi nuh right now: I wi give my life for my kids because they are my only OBLIGATION in this world. Yeah! I owe them. Rahtid! Mi modda and fadda get juk. Dem dun live dem life.. Hush ah jus suh…Sorry…mi know..mi know…mi nuh too righted…yuh member di white tights, madness run in di family

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No I would not BUT (Yw know how to provoke thoughts as well as you!) if it’s for a child or family member (CLOSE CLOSE CLOSE ONE AT THAT) me going have to give up me life as long as there’s no other option (Not lying if they way older than me and isn’t mother and father me not going to do it).

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Cami, I calculated your gaffes in your response and I suspected that you would not buy into the notion of a honorable suicide…

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Euthanasia if legal would be a state sanctioned suicide and that does not sit well with me. With Obara stating that individuals who commit suicide are re-born instantly, I further confirm that suicide is never a good thing.

As for the Asians, they need to unlearn the behavior that associate suicide with honor.

Years ago I wrote a paper opposing Jack Kevorkian [modern day Dr. Death] and euthanasia campaign–he is the doctor who spent years in prison for assisting his patients with their suicide desires. I did not support him then and I don’t support euthanasia today. Here is the paradox, it takes guts to commit suicide; however, only weak or weakened people commit suicide…

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Thanks Lalibela!! Thanks Obara! I needed more thoughts on the subject as I have conflicted feelings at times about how they are intertwined …

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How would you define weak, Mr. Nile? Is it the idea that life is sacred that is behind your view?

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Cami, I wanna know a person’s mindset when they actually give advance directive on that DNR order. There’s very much a fine line between DNR and assisted Suicide. Out of fear of not having a dignified death, most people choose to have DNR set in place but as with your dilemna it’s just a big ethical bubble of sh*t.

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@ Yazzy mi like the Jesus one
@ Cami; I hope so for you too because that must be hard. It is hard to watch someone die (I am sure) because most deaths are not pleasant and many struggle to leave. If it does happen with you, come here and we will all bear it with you. And if we all won’t, I will….

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In my case the DNR is in the patients home. Once he went into distress and we were able to talk him into letting 911 come around 2 years ago!

I don’t know how it will work out another time because now he’s depress (highly) and I feel like if it happens on my watch and and I have to follow the instructions by law…I’m a bit bothered because I’m to comfort him throughout the distress and watch him die! that still have me a way and I hope it doesn’t happen on my watch.

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Yw, you took it there! I love it! Giving your life for your child… I love that question. This is exactly why I Christians contradict their beliefs all the time. ..

They believe Jesus came and dash weh him life pan di cross fi wi sins, nuh suicide dat? He killed himself.. (or a chue dem dress it up like dis)—> gave himself up as sacrificial lamb… for their sins. It’s a suicidal act and all the others that loved him and knew he had to do what he had to do for mankind all assisted him in his attempts!

Dem aguh commit mi to di psyche ward ya now!

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DNR/DNI: most times it is asked that the family members sign if the patient has not (from my understanding – correct if I am wrong, please)… In the Terri schrivo case, a woman in a coma was at the center of a debacle between her husband and her parents over the issue of pulling the plug….If she is simply breathing, is that life?

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Still waiting for a reply on Do Not Resuscitate orders (DNR)

Yw
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Would you give your life for your children? I am sure you would…Is that not suicide?

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Yw, euthanasia is tricky as these are individuals who conclude that there is no hope for them, they elect to end their life. Suffering is not an easy thing and suffering has a way of messing with one’s mind and it is at this juncture that they decide to take their life.

Life being sacred should be preserved by all means. I find suicide to be an affront to the Creator. Here in the West, suicide carries no honorable connotations as it is not exercised for the purposes of honor or the preservation of the greater masses.

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LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOO Yw!!! Di way b mi laff mi all a snort! Eww! No.. yuh good. . Ty need fi come get yuh! Jeezas crise… mi cyah laff nu more!

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Yazzy, what a gwaan? We deh ya same way!!!

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Nile I’m here as well. Class houtta han hit seems. Nunu tub har back and everybadi a run muckkkk.

Nile, what’s your take on euthanasia by physicians and how it links/ walks hand in hand with assisted suicide?

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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LOL, SEEMINGLY, I’ve missed out on a lot. Something that should have taken a few minutes, ended up taking up a lot of time…

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They/we decided to lighten up the subject, but it got lighter than a cloud.

Yw
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Like smoke…cough, cough…

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Cami lol mi deh yah ma page a slow up n mi turn peeper. A think bout what moral to me immoral to another…i get it.

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Kia a chue mi cyah ketch up wid yuh from day mek a nuh cuss out yuh wharawarawa! How yuh have yuh sis de worry pan yuh suh??? Mi fret fi yuh suh till mi dream si yuh or your name was said in the dream. Ooman… mi nuh inna nuh hargumentz wid yuh. .. jus try nuh dweet again else mi whine off Splen &&/&#*y and mek yuh tan a NY (a deh su yuh lib dont?? Nuh ansa) and feel every stroke! LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Kiss up Kia Boooo!! Yuh come home!

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((((((Hugs)))))) Yazzy yaz ♥♥♥♥ when i see u bawl last couple post my heart heavy for yu. Sending love n light. Praying fi yu lil sista. i is r here mama just did busy like bees. Mi nuh leff my fambo fi long.

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Sorry all, I had to step away to finish up some work…

Yw
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Class: Ty look like she gone bed…mi naw sey nutten else…Cami nuh bodda wid mi…

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Sleep well Ty!

Classmates and professor, how unuh stay suh bad?? Di one likkle time Yazzy show up a class and is actually paying attention and a TRY be decent unuh turn di tables and a bruk out…. mnl! (Mi nah look)

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Yazzy, dem sey the topic dark pon top a de cuffing postings for the week. But see yah, see O a see duppy so yu nah miss that.

Yw
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Notice sey yu avatar have one eye open an one shut…hee

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Poor Ty, lol. She muss tired…you gwan moderate.

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I agree with cami *behaving now*

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Yw, I love your spin on this suicide topic… ppl weh nyam and nyan and jus a nyam everyting weh dem see and smell… is like dem a silently commit suicide to. I think suicide holds too much of a stigma to it. I loved your point on how it’s all about perceptions. Certain Jobs one would consider suicidal… risqué. .. yet it’s enjoyable. Ppl a screw without condoms and a bag a partner or even one partner is suicidal … I can go on and on

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Yes, Yazzy it’s perception factored in with what Lalibela stated about culture/geographic too. I love to say it “what moral in one nation is immoral in another” and you can see that statement ringing true in the cultural difference in the East.

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…and the west. On top of the differences in religion too.

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Thanks yah, Yazzy. It is that mi ah try sey. Where does the stigma come from? To me is the fear of loss by the living that create the stigma.

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Yw and Cami I love unuh way of thinking. I certainly agree…

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I think the right toy in the right situation can go far!!!

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COURTNEY! Is the suicide post you addressing mumma? dwlnnnnnnnn

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Maybe it was the lack of….No mi jus’ ah sey….no serious…release of endorphin….something…someting

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I see…I see lol But sex have the power to cure or destroy ones will as simple as it look. People commit suicide because of heart breaks…wonder if sex coupled into their train of thought during the process/contemplation of suicide?

I was abstinent my 2 times of contemplation so sex wasn’t a factor so I can’t answer me own question.

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Of course I’m always on topic… We were on the will to live I was simply stating that sex when done right can restore a lot of things rofl and the right toy in the right situation can takes you from the depths of despair to peaks of bliss (no pun intended) :p

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Lol listen it was too heavy we have to lighten the mood

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That’s why I can’t be no nun it ain’t for me!! Lmao no chile I still believe they is be getting it in. I want to have ladies nights and couples nights with toys and demonstrations the whole nine

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lolol

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BLERT NEAT!!!! UNNO DID JUST WANT AN HEXCUSE……

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Loooooooool woooiieee

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Kia and NuNU! pon top a Lalibela where art thou?

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Alright, since Ty run gone…If someone has lung cancer and keep smoking is that suicide?

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Obara, how does this case play into Tradition’s view of reincarnation?

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Yes, a death wish or just plain free will on deciding that is how they want to die.

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True words! One of my professors stated that the biggest draw back with giving decent healthcare in America is that more “knuckle heads” would take me risk. So, if a person who doesn’t care about the judgement in the after life then they won’t care about taking their life.

I didn’t give two hoot either because I just saw it as going else where.

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Well if me choose how fi live den, who fi sey it wrong if mi choose how fi dead? Someone who takes a lot of risks in life may be seeking thrills or hoping that it will end in one of their risk taking events

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Listen a good joint and a burst will have u feeling ten times lighter….

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lolol, yu know it! Herb heal me. The next episode is a Man step in and that was the end of that suicidal thought nonsense.

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Bam!! He drop some multiple orgasms on you and you straight! Obara ain’t the only one with thought of being a madam… I soon start my love business

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BOARD A BRUK DUNG! DWRCLLLLLLNNN COO PON FLIRTING! lolol

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Bwoy, mi nah do such a good job on this one so if someone want tek over, that ok wid me. OR we can gwan talk bout the forgiveness ting…What yu sey Obara?

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Topic heavy is all Yw. Yu good man wi lub yu so no worries loooooolol

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Tks yaw Kia B….since you know who gone pon radio silence…

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You a do just fine…we just have so much to say and as Ty say- it’s a dark topic. Lets go with another # then?

NEXT…

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Cami, she wudden even chupps mi fi answer. Yu si how di ting set?

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Yw, it is a dark topic and we all emotional from this week…

Yw
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Sorry Cams, cold wata caan help at all…heehee

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HI HI HI…..cold wata dash pon yu…left Ty and go moderate. Ty! don’t mek him tek whey yu key board!

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Ah lub, yu lub mi mek yu sey dat? Yu lub mi don’t?

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Growing up in ja, I never heard of suicides….now every month in the Jcan newspaper u hear bout suicides there…

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Ty, if you weren’t in the rural communities you wouldn’t hear of it much. I remember seeing a man hanging and have heard about so and so pickney commit suicide because he/she failed exam, sometimes the results didn’t even come back yet.

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Come nuh man Teach.

Yw
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Night, night Yazsters!!

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Good night sweeties. Sorry I’m late. Had to relax and regroup for a sec…

1. I use to be think suicide was a sign of weakness but who are we to say that person was weak? I’ve seen some of the most courageously accomplished people commit suicide as well as your average Joe so for me it’s just a sign of distress and loneliness but not weakness.

2. Thank the heavens I’ve never actually had to deal with it and I have never mentally prepared for it but knowing me… it would bring me to my knees. I’d be filled with guilt. It would hurt that they couldn’t open up to me… mi not even wah stawt tink bout dat ya now.

3. The reasoning must be important to the ones whom have done it. It must have been valid in their minds.

4. I’ve been thru some awful lows that I care not to revisit where I’ve had thoughts of soliciting others to help end my suffering… but thoughts are just thoughts sometimes.

In Healthcare, there’s assisted suicides alll the time… I’m 50/50 on this! Yup I said it!

With that said, if I put deep thoughts into it, I would be of assistance to someone that wants to commit suicide. I’ll explain one day…

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Sorry posted in the wrong spot:
You know, I can’t speak on the spiritual side of this because I just do not know enough about it. In cases where emotions play a role in suicide I would say that it is a coping skill gone awry. Everyone faces problems daily but it is the way that we deal with the stresses of life. Because we feel things differently, what may be unbearable for me may be a walk in the park for someone else. However, I think of the views that many have on life…When life is just surviving, what does it mean? Would I value my life in the hayday of slavery? Would that be living? Hmmmm, I wonder…

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This helps me honor my slave ancestors daily easy…i doubt if i would have survived.I have to respect them for surviving csuse jah kno smh all toes n heel back masta wud affi chop off fimi nuh run whey. Hmmmm

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Mek me start confess…My first suicidal declaration was because I was financially stress and felt hopeless, then have a temp boss bothering the little bit of peace I had stored up. I walked of the job and saw a bill board advertising the suicidal hotline. I drove home a bit erratic, but calmed down because it would be unfair to cause an accident when it wasn’t the other drivers I was having an issue with- the issue was with myself.

I called the hotline when I went home and bless the girl on the other line. She asked me what were my life options! There I sat, light me spliff and started to take stock of my untested options…less than 2 weeks later I got the job of a life time.,,although the company sold out some years later, lolol

This was a matter of me and society and its expectations not panning out too well. Hence, E.Durkheim egotistical suicide I felt “detached from society”. Again, me weed did me well.

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dem sey weed is life…hear something I wonder bout: how yu fi commit suicide if is not your time to go?

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I would have been a bad slave, Nuff licks…not sure I could endure it…definitely maroon and would run away , fight back, and kill…

The world we live in can give us some hard lessons, often hard to cope…so that us why we must pray, reflect, and meditate…

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Christians believe that if a person commits suicide, they have no lot nor part with God. Also, those who commit suicide are buried in a different way (don’t remember the position). What do you guys think about that? and have you heard this saying before?

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Man a deny someone rights in this case, nu right. Imagine the member being attending since childhood and pump 10% annually of their income, some weekly into the congregation and they get denied burial rights…then again they do it for wedding too. Cold!

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New name, it depends on the culture…some Catholics will not give a church burial for suicide victims, some Jews will not give burial rites to suicide victims, some cultures will place the dead body upside down in the casket etc…

Ps happy New Years to the Jewish peepers…

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Yes that u cant be forgiven of this sin. Yu wont see God because u took ur own life.

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Emile Durkhiem :” Durkheim explored the differing suicide rates among Protestants and Catholics, arguing that stronger social control among Catholics results in lower suicide rates. He also found that suicide rates were higher among men than women, higher for those who are single than those who are married, higher for people without children than people with children, higher among soldiers than civilians, and higher at times of peace than in times of war.”

“Durkheim was the first to argue that the causes of suicide were to be found in social factors and not individual personalities.”

Source: http://sociology.about.com/od/Works/a/Suicide.htm

He went on to list 3 types: Anomic, Egotistic and Alturistic

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You know, I can’t speak on the spiritual side of this because I just do not know enough about it. In cases where emotions play a role in suicide I would say that it is a coping skill gone awry. Everyone faces problems daily but it is the way that we deal with the stresses of life. Because we feel things differently, what may be unbearable for me may be a walk in the park for someone else. However, I think of the views that many have on life…When life is just surviving, what does it mean? Would I value my life in the hayday of slavery? Would that be living? Hmmmm, I wonder…

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In other words Obara, if someone commits suicide, they have to return again and again until they get over their hurdle/problem?

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So if one comes back deformed what does that do… Are they hoping to shorten the lifespan so they can move on

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Evening all i do not agree with suicide. While life gets heavy at times for me, i want to keep living. For others it may not be that easy so they give up. When we see people like phyllis, robin, kurt corbin who we think have everything we wonder why. Yu just cant kno a persons heart or mind. Now i understand spiritually that suicide deaths have to come again to live their life over, it makes perfect sense. I dont want to watch someone suffer a terminal illness but im no kervokan. Im not helping them die so i hope they have another plan besides me.

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Hey Kia B! So, if someone you love dearly is suffering from a critical wound, bleeding out and there is no hope of help. they are begging you to end the pain. You can say without a doubt that you would not kill them? Not saying that I would. Just saying that I do not know what I would do…

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Those DNRs (Do not resuscitate orders) puts health care workers in a position quite similar.

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No YW i cant say that. Im likkle squeemish with blood so i may pass out before dem can ask…hopefully. Lol besides i might have to come back as a killer forever for that small help…nah im pass.

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That’s deep

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Courtney, we have the same thought!!! Deep!

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Where you gone to? Please to return cause….lol

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You know, maybe the spiritual part was not the best place for me to start…. I do not know anything definitively but maybe someone committing suicide had some higher purpose…WT…Well, Rob Will committing suicide opened up a discussion on the topic. Sorry a bit off for some reason….

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True, he got the whole world to talk about depression, parkinson, and suicide…

Rehab centers reported increased admissions…

Loved ones brought in relatives they thought were on the brink…

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Good evening good people. I am not sure about suicide from what I understand about death there are several “types” your spirit leaves (it was time for you to die), your body can’t take it (sometimes the spirit refuses to leave earth or your spirit can also leave cause it was also time for you to die) and emotional death (where your will to die is very strong. This can then lead to a physical death by suicide or even a disease that kills you). I am not an expert on this though, I am learning all this now

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Most people who attempt suicide are reaching out for help ( in the western culture)…most are not successful…

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Hey Ty, they say it’s a cry for help, but I think it’s best to ask for help because the “attempt” may just be successful.

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I agree but our culture has taught people that it is a great way to get attention, get revenge, write you true feelings on a note, and run from your problems…

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In Asain cultures, suicides are acceptable and considered honorable…for example a CEO runs a company into the ground and people lose money, lives, etc due his decisions…he will commit suicide to absolve himself from his actions…

In our western thoughts, this is wrong…

In the eastern thought, he is forgiven…

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Physical death is not final…as to what happens after depends on the path and the way you led your life on this realm…

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Is suicide a sign of weakness? The person committing suicide is not always of the opinion that suicide is a a cowardice act—factor in cultural conditioning.

How do you think that you would deal with a loved one committing suicide? This is a hard one to answer…

Is the reason behind committing suicide important? Since I conclude that suicide that wrong, the reason matters not…

People have solicited the help of others to commit suicide, do you Agree with this? No I do not agree with no form of suicide…

Would you assist someone in committing suicide (with knowledge that they will have to come back this realm because they would have failed this test)? No

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I am just getting into the spirituality aspects of life so I am no expert here…but often times, if you give up the will to live, you die….I am not sure of the impact on the spirit…I would think it depends on if you completed the lessons you were to learn in the cycle or not…

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So, I hear some survivor stories, where people say they lived because they REFUSED to die. That makes me wonder about death and our views on it.

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Class, I would like to get to the will behind death and if that is suicide. Cami answered no because there is no physical harm but does the loss of will harm the spirit?

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I think that it indicates that the spirit has room for growth. This realm is a testing ground and one must pass the tests in order to advance. Reliving the life again shows that all hope is not lost however you cannot escape the lessons

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The will to live is a flame that must be kept kindled….

All suicides are not equal… I like the analogy of the samarai…their suicide was more of a sacrifice….

There are solders, fire fighters and police officers who put their lives on the line knowing that they will die…some may call this suicide because the know they will die and still forge on,..

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With a Judeo-Christian upbringing, I was taught that individuals don’t get absolved for committing suicide. Naturally, if you are no longer alive an individual cannot show contrition and repent/atone for said sin. Then you find that in other cultures, the act of suicide is regarded as an act of valor and honor. Muslims don’t regard suicide—under the auspice of jihad—as a cowardice act. Shame derived from great disappointment/dishonor of others often times compel Japanese to commit suicide. Here in the West, suicide is highly shunned as it is associated with a life rife with issues—a troubled person. With the different cultural interpretation of suicide’s meaning/validation, we are left in a quandary.

Social/societal conditioning—nurture—plays a key role in how I perceive suicide; accordingly, I don’t equate the suicide of a Muslim, a Japanese or the typical Westerner as one in the same. The Muslim is of the [opinion] that jihad based suicide is an act that serves the greater good and a duty, the Japanese conclude that the act of suicide preserves honor and respect for one’s family and I opine that most Westerners commit suicide because they see no other option in life.

I dwell in the West an accordingly, I am more inclined to understand the ways of the West—whether I subscribe to them or not. Stress and depression are leading reasons for suicide here in the West. Robin William—who had a history of drug abuse—was diagnosed with parkinson disease and subsequently committed suicide. When I heard of his passing, I did not grieve; knowing that he committed suicide, I just concluded that the troubled man found the easy way out. Then I compared his worst prognosis with the best prognosis of the indigent peoples of the world. Suffering is the norm for the indigent peoples of the world and from a proportional perspective, most don’t commit suicide—even when they face sudden death. I might have to soon question this logic as I most recently discovered that Guyana has replaced Scandinavia as the region/nation with the highest suicide [rate]:

“Guyana has the highest suicide rate in the world

According to data gathered by the World Health Organization, Guyana has the highest suicide rate in the world, with 44 suicides per 100,000 people. That puts them slightly ahead of even North Korea, which has 38.5 suicides per 100,000 people. Among large countries, South Korea, with 28.5 suicides per 100,000 people, and Russia, with 18.5 suicides per 100,000 people, have particularly bad records. The suicide rate in the US is 12.1 per 100,000 people.”

Phyllis as beautiful and talented and fortunate as she was should have been helped before she got to that point where she thought that she was helpless…

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Lalibela (no mind me teasing) but that was awesome information. I’m going to have to read up on why Guyana has a high suicide rate when I haven’t read of them having much strife- politically or economically (I need to keep up on regional news).

Emile (Sociologist) wrote that suicide rates were always high among white, protestant male. Being that he’s from a while back the textbook information need updating.

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Yes Mr. Nile, culture plays a huge role in our view on suicide

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Hi Helloo! You had this “sermon” written up from last week? hii dwrln

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LOL 🙂 All is well Cami!!!

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Is suicide a sign of weakness?

A: Not of the mind but of the spirit.

How do you think that you would deal with a loved one committing suicide?

A: Question of why would be ever present, other than that it was their choice.

Is the reason behind committing suicide important?

A: Yes. So that I’ll know my role and if I could have been of more help to the person.

People have solicited the help of others to commit suicide, do you:

Agree with this: Answer: It’s not my right to agree.

Would you assist someone in committing suicide (with knowledge that they will have to come back this realm because they would have failed this test)

A: No. I will not assist someone because it isn’t my place to do so. And in this realm their is a place call prison and I’m not going there while the dead gone free.

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Orange is the new black

Ty
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Grung….

Yw
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Wha yu sey, Cami, yu nuh look good inna orange…

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No sah, and de slippas and chain dem and me nu ‘gree. Plus me love the freedom of sleeping, showering and eating as me like. lol

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Grung…

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1. I personally have suffered from depression it is a dark hole that can consume you it can cause you to act out if character and it is a chemical imbalance. Though it would not be my choice unless you have walked in another’s shoes we cannot pass judgements.

2. Depends on the level of attachment. I have a very big fun loving warm family it would not be good.

3. I think the reason is important. What seems trivial to us was intense enough for someone to end their life it will help get to the root cause if the problem.

4. As we know nothing is by chance. It might be in that persons destiny to help these people die.

B. no I would try to assist them in other ways and counsel them

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Present ….

Night everyone…Cami, Obara, yw….large up

I am cool with starting with #5

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Good night, night…my computer acting shady.

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Hello Obara Meji, the ES fambo, all peepers (of ES only, of course), and everyone else!! This, in my opinion, is too big a topic to do in one go. So, I suggest that we deal with the issue of suicide in parts. If the class agrees, where do we start? If it is ok with all, we could start at #5. and just touch on the other points….
1. Cultural POV (point of View)
2. Emotional POV/coping mechanisms
3. Psycological (mental health issues)
4. Other Health (Terminal illness or comas)
5. Spiritual

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#5 then.

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No. It isn’t suicide because all they did was will them self to pass on, rather than do physical injury to their self.

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Cool. I wonder about the spiritual side of this topic because there are times when a person’s death comes about from their loss of will to keep going. If a person gives up the will to fight but does not physically take their life, is that suicide?

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1. Is suicide a sign of weakness? – That is a matter of….you guessed it: PERSPECTIVE. Some samurai would commit Harakiri, which is type Seppuku or suicide. Check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seppuku for a little more.

2. How do you think that you would deal with a loved one committing suicide? – That is hard to say and I do not put energy into such thoughts.

3. Is the reason behind committing suicide important?
To the living. Suicide deals with death which, to me, is a concept for the living. This is behind the view that suicide is a sign of weakness. As in the earlier discussion on forgiveness, hurt is dealt with differently by different people. How we process pain and hurt may lead to negative behaviours or coping mechanisms. There are also mental health issues that may play a role. I’ll leave it there and see how the discussion develops…

4. People have solicited the help of others to commit suicide, do you:
a. Agree with this? – http://www.biography.com/people/jack-kevorkian-9364141a little on Jack Kevorkian and Euthanasia. I apologize if I offend on this:
if it is an adult, then it is their life to do with as they wish. If I love someone and they are suffering (health related here), should I ask them to endure more suffering? What if it is a terminal illness?

b. Would you assist someone in committing suicide (with knowledge that they will have to come back this realm because they would have failed this test)? – I do not think that I would but I do not know for certain. Is it more humane to watch someone endure suffering or is it more humane to end the suffering?

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Morning Yazzy-Yazz.

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