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Hi everyone, beginning this week this Tuesday October the 7th 2014, we will begin our new OH WOW-REALLY? night, which is really dealing with conspiracy theories. All over the world and for ages there have always been conspiracy theories about the going on’s of life. While they are interesting to read or watch, if they are videos, it makes one wonder if there is any truth to what is being said or what is written. I must admit, often times, the theorist has valid points and even lay out their arguments better than O J’s Simpson’s lawyer Johnny Cochran with the now famous “If the glove does not fit you must acquit!

I along with the bloggers believe that we should explore some of these conspiracy theories, speak of them, and dissect some of the arguments made by some conspiracy theorist. So Tuesdays will be also another exciting night. The rules are the same as book club discussion night. You will submit, a conspiracy theory for discussion, support the argument with video, essay, press, book or argument. If you submit an argument, be ready to moderate. The time will be 8pm sharp!

For our first OH WOW discussion, Blogger Lalibela Nile has put forth the subject and will moderate, I know we will have fun with these discussions just the same as with our book club discussion, oonuh roll out tomorrow!

All who like the title OH WOW-REALLY? for this new discussion, please let me know otherwise come up with a better name if you can, I did not want to put up so so Conspiracy Theories

Perspective is Everything, By Lalibela Nile

Perspective is everything; hence, I am going to begin with the following quotes from one Dr. Henry Kissinger, “The emigration of Jews from the Soviet Union is not an objective of American foreign policy. And if they put Jews into gas chambers in the Soviet Union, it is not an American concern. Maybe a humanitarian concern.”  “It is an act of insanity and national humiliation to have a law prohibiting the President from ordering assassination.” 

 

Super Powers are out for self and self-preservation—they don’t care about the welfare of less power nations or powerless nations; such nations are utilized so that certain objectives can be met.  With the advent of WWI & WWII, Europeans perished by the millions and toward the end of WWII, lots of Asians, et al began to perish.  The geopolitics that is the Cold War, reshaped the world in a manner where no nation was safe—with the exception of a few, nations had to either declare their allegiance to the democratic/capitalist ways of the West or the communist/socialist ways of the USSR.   During the Cold War, the notion of national sovereignty meant nothing—especially for the newly ‘independent post colonial and those nations that sought their independence.  The USA and USSR sought to influence of resource rich regions.  In an effort to gain the requisite influence, nations were permitted to go independent, while other nations were denied independence.  Sovereign leaders, who were not complicit with one side or the other, were deposed or murdered.

 

Newly independent nations were popping up all over the globe—Africa, Asia, Europe and the Americas.  Predicated on a respective leader’s ideological/political stance/leaning, ‘he’ would be propped up, assassinated or forced into exile.  Congolese Patrice Lumumba comes to mind.  Lumumba was all for an independent Congo; a nation free to dictate her own terms and charter her own path/destiny.  Colonial Belgium, the USSR and the USA did not see things in that regard.  Hence, the pan-Africanist Patrice Lumumba had to go. By means of a coup d’état, Prime Minister Patrice was deposed of his position. Mobutu Sese Seko, the visible leader of the coup d’état, rose to power and Patrice Lumumba was eventually murdered.  Given the many covert operations that were taking place in that region, all in the know, knew that the USA and Belgium played a role in the demise of Lumumba and in the rise of Mobutu—given the fact that the USSR came to the aid of Lumumba when the USA elected not to assist the Congo with their disputes with Belgium, they were not suspected playing a role in the change of events.

 

The USA and Belgium went on record to dispute any involvement in the coup d’état and the many assassinations—calking up suspicions to that of innuendos and conspiracies.  Individuals or organizations seeking to implicate the power players of any subversive activities were made to become silent or relegated to the status of a conspiracy theorist. Relative to modus operandi, the British MI6, Israel’s Mossad, the USSR’s KGB and America’s CIA was a function of being clandestine—everything was covert, this was a business of shadowy characters who sought to always maintain plausible deniably.  These shadowy agencies function in a manner in which they are often times not implicated for their nefarious and licentious activities.  Some of these very agents of evil visited upon my beloved Jamaica during her formative years and she has been set on a path of seemingly perpetual chaos and underdevelopment ever since—however, I have elected to address this tumultuous period at a different time.

 

How valid are these conspiracy claims?  Who Killed Lumumba and why?  Shift all the way toward our contemporary times, was Hugo Chavez murdered?  Was Yasser Arafat murdered?  How plausible is it to induce heart attacks, strokes or any other fatal debilitating condition?  Newly declassified documents, et al are only now shedding light on a lot of the heinous actions/activities that were carried out or sponsored by the likes of the CIA, Mossad and the KGB…”

In lieu of going any further, let me provide the following references for you to review and we all can then discuss later on:

What Really Happened in Congo—you have the option to listen to the audio or read the actual literature:

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/141523/stephen-r-weissman/what-really-happened-in-congo

British peer reveals MI6 role in Lumumba killing:

http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/world/british-peer-reveals-mi6-role-in-lumumba-killing/article4567513.ece

Al Jazeera Investigates – Killing Arafat

:

http://youtu.be/qr2DULWPzAs

       Who killed Arafat? Possibly his closest colleagues:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/who-killed-arafat-possibly-his-closest-colleagues/

       A Brief List of the Conveniently Deceased:

http://whale.to/b/kues1.html

                     Assassination by disease (Doctors, Heart attack, cancer…):

http://whale.to/b/assassination_disease.html

The Top 10 Most Inhuman Henry Kissinger Quotes

http://www.alternet.org/world/top-10-most-inhuman-henry-kissinger-quotes?paging=off&current_page=1#bookmark

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Cami
6 years ago

It appears that this may topic will be into hibernation…but I would like to ask what conspiratorial theories are there that bloggers would have loved to discuss?

nyaha1
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nyaha1
6 years ago

about Lumumba, so the Indians are claiming that he sort refuge in their embassy, if true, its sad that in his own country he had to go to a foreigner and seek help.

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Spanner Banner is blaming Obeah:

[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk0hXXQy8Xw&w=420&h=315%5D

Cami
6 years ago

Mr. Spanner, the faith need assistance.

Cami
6 years ago

Good morning All. I was distracted since night. Applauding NuNu and Lalibella for holding it down.

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Reply to  Cami

Much love Cami!

NuNu
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6 years ago

The nationalist movement seem to always get squashed

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Reply to  NuNu

It is all about making the right alignment…

Cami
6 years ago
Reply to  NuNu

Nationalist movements will always get squashed because the mouthpiece(s) are usually too erratic in speech and the traitors are always infiltrating.

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Arafat’s demise is tricky, he had a lot of enemies and detractors and the only thing that is conclusive is that he was murdered…

Cami
6 years ago

No matter what any report search that one was a murder after numerous attempts. Arafat said up to 40 with Sharon being 13 of them.

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Reply to  Cami

It is tricky in that one party, knowing the intentions of another party might act befitting a certain interest.

NuNu
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6 years ago

Sorry my phone needed charging. Was it because he was a threat to the “peace process”? I read something that I don’t quite understand, it said he had to go because he was a relic of the past. He wasn’t into the new ‘Arab Alliance’ and the post 9/11 thinking eg Invade Iraq, set up torture camps etc. He was too much of a nationalist concerned with what happened inside of Palestine. He had to be ousted and Mahmoud Abbas appointed

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Reply to  NuNu

Per Arafat, he has been asked to compromise on many occasions and he obliged always. He stated that he’d wasted 30 years so one he took a stance. It is after this juncture when he started to make more hardline demands…

Cami
6 years ago
Reply to  NuNu

Arafat just had the wrong people around him and the fact that Sharon was a might A-hole things would never have worked out…I applaud the Palestinians for being headstrong, though.

NuNu
Blogger
6 years ago

What about Arafat? Anything on that?

kiabubblez
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kiabubblez
6 years ago

Good night brothers n sisters i are here reading. I know 0 bout this topic……i will read n learn tho. Thank yu Nile n all others for sharing

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Reply to  kiabubblez

Blessed love Kia

NuNu
Blogger
6 years ago

Where’s everyone?

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Reply to  NuNu

I am here NuNu

NuNu
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6 years ago

But outsiders usually hold the power because they hold the money, plus they are so strategic and deceptive, how can a third world country get full independence, seem impossible

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Reply to  NuNu

NuNu, the notion of independence–relative to so-called sovereign nations is a misnomer. A nation’s destiny is a function of making the right economical and political alignments.

NuNu
Blogger
6 years ago

Yes but when you are in the position of having your hand out, and being a beggar you’ll always be a patsy and a pawn

NuNu
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6 years ago

Nile the UN will use sanctions but only the citizens suffer. What change have they really brought about?

Cami
6 years ago

The UN take their stance on peace too literal.

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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BRB…

NuNu
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6 years ago

Don’t you think UN is sorta useless, Nile

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Reply to  NuNu

NuNu, that is exactly my point 🙂

Cami
6 years ago
Reply to  NuNu

It’s worthless and its location makes it more of a puppet entity. I may stagger back and say that I like what the UN have on paper, but the organization heads are puppets.

Cami
6 years ago

Me out of this I’m not all in on the entire Congo.

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Reply to  Cami

Cami, I can respect that; however, let me ask, does this not remind you of your home country? It is in the same regard that the CIA was meddling in Jamaica’s affairs–circa 1972 to 1980…

Cami
6 years ago

Of course, it’s the same tactic for African nations, Caribbean nations, South American nations, Asia and a few small European nations during the USSR reign. It’s always the same tactics and yet it repeats itself.

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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With that being said, I am wondering if there is any hope for these ‘developing nations’? Seemingly, they all have to align one way or another–one would think that the UN was in place to advocate for such countries…

Cami
6 years ago

The UN in in place to advocate for 3 entities: America, Israel and Britain. It’s strength was shown during the Rwanda genocides.

Cami
6 years ago

Me going to have to get a hold a me bad writing….note to self.

NuNu
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6 years ago

Pierre Mulele tried to push for social change but he couldn’t do it by himself

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Reply to  NuNu

NuNu, without the meddling of the West, Pierre Mulele would have had a chance… MLK asked the question relating to who want to get adjusted to injustice and sometimes, I can’t help but to think that we are expected to adjust ourselves to injustice…

Courtney
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6 years ago

I hope so as well. I love the topic and have always wondered about the power plays of the super powers and the agencies designed to clean up any unfortunate incidents and solve certain problems. As obara has pointed out there will never be peace because a balance must always be maintained, however I do agree that these killings are indeed an outrage but these things have been happening and the US is known for unclean hands.

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Reply to  Courtney

Courtney, with justice not being an option, I fear that we will never see peace in the Middle East.

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Reply to  Obara Meji

Obara, Mobutu is the quintessential spineless opportunist–he was a greedy money hungry sellout. The sad reality is that the West, enjoyed working with his kind–they know that all that they had to do was crease his palm and he would bend over…

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Upright leaders are an affront to the ways of the West and such leaders were not down with the pillage of Africa. Some saw no future in dealing with the West, hence, they looked to the USSR and most if not all such leaders were displayed one way or another.

African nations were getting their independence at a very peculiar time–the Cold War was in its heights. All post colonial nations were used as pawns…

NuNu
Blogger
6 years ago

Didn’t they form a nationalist organization CNL after his death, but based on what I read the leadership was not the same they had the ideology but most were in it for the prestige and power

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Reply to  NuNu

NuNu, the biggest issue had to do with the presence of foreign powers–meddling in a very stealthy way. Every cabinet appointment had to be approved by foreign powers. Lumumba’s supporters had no chance; however, since there was so much clandestine operations going on at the time, they had no way of knowing. The Congo region is yet to recover…

NuNu
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6 years ago
Reply to  Obara Meji

That’s the issue there, the traitors willing to sacrifice the countries future for power. How do you root them out, it’s easy to spot the outsiders but your own countryman not so much

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Reply to  NuNu

NuNu, you are so correct

Courtney
Blogger
6 years ago

Not at my best tonight just popping in

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Reply to  Courtney

Greetings Courtney, I hope you feel better soon…

Yw
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Yw
6 years ago

Sorry, fambo, the little ones are acting allergic to sleep…will try to be back later.. Sorry again.

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Reply to  Yw

No worries Yw–attend to the young ones…

Cami
6 years ago
Reply to  Yw

lolol, they are running the house tonight. gwan go dads.

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Reply to  Obara Meji

Obara, as long as peace and justice are not one in the same, there will be unrest in the Middle East and justice is currently not on the table…

Cami
6 years ago
Reply to  Obara Meji

Peace will not come to them as long as the US and Israel have their foots on peace.

Courtney
Blogger
6 years ago

Good night all

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Obara, the sad part is that he is now dead and we still don’t have peace in the Middle East…

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Reply to  Obara Meji

I was hoping to discuss fact–relative to the geo-political issues of the last 100 years. I was keen to get feedback in the area of how our political and national leaning shape our ‘perception’ of the world.

Cami
6 years ago
Reply to  Obara Meji

Discussion new and it isn’t every topic that all are familiar with.

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Aren’t you guys outraged by how Lumumba was undermined and then murdered? Aren’t you guys bothered by how the US, the British & the Belgium’s meddled into the affairs of the independent Congo–cabinet ministers, military elite and Mobutu were all on the CIA’s payroll?

NuNu
Blogger
6 years ago

They bought the political opposition with ease that’s what i don’t like about the politicians. Why did he leave the protection of the Indian consulate

Cami
6 years ago

No. I’m more outraged with how Jamaica got sh*tted on; same tactics.

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Reply to  Obara Meji

Obara, I would not say naive as the USSR, though reluctant, came to his aid. Even when they knew that he was not a marxist–it is for this reason why the CIA activities picked up and they thought that Lumumba was a marxist or becoming a marxist…

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Lumumba, was not a Marxist or anything of the sorts, he only reached out to the Russians because he needed help with handing the meddling Belgians. Though the USA opted not to assist,Lumumba still reached out to the USA for certain assistance. However, not in the capacity of handouts… Lumumba was of the opinion that he should be able to engage with the US and the USSR simultaneously–as he was not subscribing to the Cold War alignment references.

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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NuNu, it was at the Berlin Conference of 1884–85 that Belgium gain control of the Congo–remember the vicious King Leopold… These are the countries that were at the table: Belgium, Germany, Spain, France, Britain, Italy & Portugal…

It was at this juncture that Africa was carved up…

NuNu
Blogger
6 years ago

Ok thank you Nile

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Reply to  NuNu

You are welcome NuNu.

Cami
6 years ago
Reply to  Obara Meji

I believe that was one out of many poisonings, and the last being effective, obviously, lol.

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Reply to  Obara Meji

Obara, some were accusing Arafat as being a impeding factor in the Middle East peace effort and for that reason, he had to go… Some contended that he was in it for personal gain… Similar to Ariel Sharon, individuals wanted to get rid of all legacy agitators…

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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However, we all got a chance to review some if not all of the provided material…

NuNu
Blogger
6 years ago

So Congo is rich in uranium so that’s why it’s a hot commodity, go figure, nukes,

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Reply to  NuNu

Congo is rich in mineral wealth and a significant amount of that wealth was transferred over to Belgium. This is a good read–indicating that Congo’s mineral wealth is somewhat of a curse:

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24396390

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
Blogger

Ok, NuNu, you want to start off with the Congo–let’s do that…

NuNu
Blogger
6 years ago

Ok Lalibela so I dont know much about Congo and it’s politics but is it true that it is the U.S. that forced Belgium to take over the Congo as a colony?

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Reply to  NuNu

NuNu, it was at the Berlin Conference of 1884–85 that Belgium gain control of the Congo–remember the vicious King Leopold… These are the countries that were at the table: Belgium, Germany, Spain, France, Britain, Italy & Portugal…

It was at this juncture that Africa was carved up…

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Reply to  Obara Meji

For the ones who are familiar with the Later Yasser Arafat, think back, do you recall the media/new outlets indicating that his death was due to him being poisoned?

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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The Moderator was running a bit later but I am here now…

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Hell One and all

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
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Hello and not Hello!

Yw
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Yw
6 years ago
Reply to  Obara Meji

Obara, yuh sey “respell”… dat’s why Sally sell sea shell? If the spell ketch, pray, doan tell, sey is not one fi mek mi smell. At least bad, dat is…

Yw
Blogger
Yw
6 years ago

Yes, Obara Meji, jus’ passing tru, so please unno don’t get blue because yu dun know sey respec’ due

NuNu
Blogger
6 years ago
Reply to  Yw

Lol

NuNu
Blogger
6 years ago

Good night folks

Obara Meji
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6 years ago
Reply to  NuNu

Present Nunu where is de mod?

Yw
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Yw
6 years ago
Reply to  NuNu

Good Night New New and all the ES crew. Yw just passing through for tonights’ review…

NuNu
Blogger
6 years ago
Reply to  Yw

Night Obara, night bredda Curtis/Yw

Cami
6 years ago

*It would be good if sources are noted if and when certain claims are made during this new board discussion. I love conspiracy theories but don’t like conspiracy that doesn’t have a some sort of proof to validate arguments and I hope we won’t be stuck on race arguments.

Yw
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Yw
6 years ago
Reply to  Cami

That is a good point, Cami. But lots of info to sift through. Then again that may be the whole point…

Cami
6 years ago
Reply to  Yw

What a gwan Bro? Often times people make claims that’s far from all the conspiracy…it so far off that not even the theorist could devise such untruths, lol plus I cannot deal with the race arguments they are counterproductive and nauseating.

Yw
Blogger
Yw
6 years ago
Reply to  Yw

Cami, Sis, is like mi caan si yuh…Hope yu cool and type yuh soon..

Cami
6 years ago
Reply to  Yw

Me de yah bro, just finding always to burn calories, lol

Who’ll be kick starting tonight discussion?

Yw
Blogger
Yw
6 years ago
Reply to  Yw

Good, good. Mi glad fi si yuh deh ‘ere. Waiting for the mod but I tink he might be mod-eling…likkle joke man, joke..hehehe

Cami
6 years ago

Obara, morning again. The title is what it is…to the point. Let me start by saying that I rubbish the chick-v issue as being of a conspiratorial act. Because people want to find a conspiracy angle it’s causing people to not clean up their surroundings which cause mosquitoes to breed. Even if it’s engineered precautions still need to be taken because mosquitoes are the vehicle for transporting chick-v which has been around for at least 40 years. “symptoms may include headache, muscle pain, joint swelling, or rash. Outbreaks have occurred in countries in Africa, Asia, Europe, and the Indian and… Read more »

Lalibela A Nile (@Lalibela_Nile)
Blogger

LOL @ the Mobutu reference!

MTH
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MTH
6 years ago

I love this, yeaahhhhh. Teach, Mr. Nile clap unno sey.

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