March 14, 2017 Obara Meji 69Comment

Hello to you all! I have been missing for some days as I have been busy with Egbe initiations and also I was (still am) fighting the flu. Here on Embracing Spirituality, I have written on Egbe before (read here), and I have done many initiations for people here in Nigeria. I even have initiated Egbe myself and so have my children. I have video footage of the recently done Egbe initiation this past week, but the young lady has not yet agreed to me showing them, so I may post some audio in the comments instead. Egbe is a Yoruba word which can translate to mean society. With Yoruba language, the words and their meanings are not easily translated into English, because the words and tones with it, carry a much deeper meaning, something we do not have in our English language.

As I began to write this post, I had titled it Egbe Initiation – The Excitement. But then I thought I would speak to our Oladayo (who interprets dreams here on the dream page) and get his perspective as a Yoruba man, and also an intelligent person who is deep into his culture. We had a fascinating conversation. One so lengthy I had to cut it or else you wouldn’t stop reading today, and so I have re-titled the post and have gone even further with the help of Oladayo about Egbe, which is something that affects almost every human being. Oladayo will be passing through this side of the blog, so if you have questions, you can ask them.

Egbe – The Conversation:

 

Oladayo: “Yoruba and Igbo people call it the “eighth grade” phase of someone’s life, this is for the word Egbe and it’s literal meaning. If we are looking at it like this, it’s like saying group or sets, but calling it a society does not do it justice because it’s like trying to fix it in by force, and Yorubas don’t speak like that. The word Egbe is a compound word and it depends on the context to determine the meaning, so you have to know what someone’s talking about. Egbe isn’t orisa. It can be looked at as “party,” for example, like Egbe Democrat and Egbe Republican or Egbe PNP or Egbe JLP. Do you get it?”

Obara: “So the groups are separated by their functions, their spiritual, physical, or astral functions.”

Oladayo: “Yeah, and a single person can be referred to as a carrier of a group or association this is what we call Ẹlẹ́gbẹ́ Emèrè.”

Obara: “Okay, so tell me about Egbe…”

Oladayo: “Let’s say, children born in 96, 97, and 98, they’ll be mates at first until they start realizing that they were born different times. When they grow older, their innocence is removed, and they may separate because of age difference, but during that young stage is Egbe. So it’s close to saying “level”. Egbe isn’t a “club,” this bends the meaning, and that goes for calling it a society as well. But Egbe is actually a set of spiritual mates, or “playmates” or “playgroup”, because there is innocence among them, there isn’t any age or any difference in that realm, everyone moves together.”

Obara: “Okay, so there are no boundaries, there is no ‘superior to you, inferior to me, or vice versa.”

Oladayo: “Yeah.”

Obara: “So what does Egbe have to do with children? During initiations, children must always be present.”

Oladayo: “The child is a metaphor for innocence. You know, everyone has power. Everyone has something they can do that is supernatural, this is where the group comes in, it depends on the playgroup you have, and during initiation when they create that Egbe pot, it is a portal to access them.”

Obara: “Okay, so describe a type of Egbe, I know there are many and that will be too long for this conversation, but describe them as their function in our world and in their world.”

Oladayo: “Um, okay there are a lot of Egbe, truly, and there are even some that wear rags and causes trouble, do you know? This Egbe is Emèrè Alakisa, ‘akisa’ means rags. If a child from this Egbe is born into a very wealthy and successful family, the minute that child is born, that family of wealth and success is brought down. They becomes nothing.”

Obara: “So these Egbe bring bad things to the family?”

Oladayo: “Yes, but there are some that the way you treat them will determine how they treat you. So some Emèrè bring blessings, and some bring the opposite, and some has the ability to bring both, but again it depends on how you treat them. But for those that bring blessings, Yoruba people would tell the mother that, ‘This child that you carry is special. In fact you might not have another child because you didn’t choose plenty, you chose the Sun, one that is powerful.’ But for the ones that come with gloom, many Yorubas won’t tell the woman that that child is Emèrè because some people are stupid, they’ll begin to mistreat the child which will only worsen the case for themselves.”

Obara: “Okay so, those that wear rags in their realm, they are like twins or the counterpart of a person here? So everyone here has a twin or a counterpart-”

Oladayo: “I don’t like the words ‘twin’ or ‘counterpart’ because that isn’t really what it is. While the physical walks here, they have a reflection of themselves in the realms. In the realm, it is a reflection of you, and that reflection represents you.

Obara: “That’s like what I teach, that we are all projections of ourselves from somewhere else.”

Oladayo: “Yes and some people don’t know that they are Emèrè Alakisa. They can take their families from riches to rags, and not even just their families, if they just go anywhere. Some know what they are doing and others don’t. Some can go do good and some can do bad, it depends. If someone in the family is active in spirituality they can find out where that child is from. That is why in Yoruba land they tell pregnant women not to walk at night, or to wear a pin on their clothes, because it is at night that malevolent children walk about, and malevolent children can replace the baby within the woman. So for the Egbe that wears rags, in that realm they may misbehave which affects the physical here, and the physical person will misbehave too.

Obara: “Well, I know that there are many different realms, some owing to nature as we know it here in the physical realm. So where do we find Egbe amongst nature in our realm?”

Oladayo: “Umm… it depends on the Egbe, but within the realms, where ever a banana plant is, that is where these children play, the Emèrè Alakisa, I mean. The banana plant is a very spiritual plant, it’s very important. Look at the leaves, it’s like a rag, do you know? When a banana becomes ripe, it starts to rotten, but it is still sweet. This has a lot to say. It has something to do with wastefulness, so these Emèrè can waste things, and spiritually that is what they do when they are born into a family and that family becomes nothing.”

Obara: “Wow. What about Abiku? What about that Egbe?

Oladayo [laughs]: “Abiku! Abiku is a form of Emèrè, do you know?”

Obara: “Really?”

Oladayo: “Yes but they don’t usually call them Emèrè, but underneath, we know that’s what they are. Abikus love the realm they come from, so when they come to earth, they come and die. They may die at birth or they’ll die at a very young age. But when they come, they’ll give the mother clues of what they are. The earth is nothing to them. They won’t care about anything. So before coming to earth, they will tell their playmates that their mother will be rich, successful, and happy, or they will wait for the mother to party, or to celebrate, and as soon as she does, that is when they’ll choose to die. They’ll choose their mother’s happiest moment for them to die.”

Obara: “That’s wicked.”

Oladayo: “It’s not wicked. You are the one with emotions.”

Obara: “That’s true, because I always teach that emotions are blinders. Once they’re removed, people can have access to wisdom and see reality and what is before them. We come to earth to learn a lot of things, but two of those things are emotions and limitations, because that doesn’t exist in the realms we come from.”

Oladayo: “Exactly. So a spiritualist will tell a person, ‘Don’t party. Don’t celebrate,’ and that spiritualist will not even know why, but that is the message, and it is because that child made contract that on that day when the mother celebrates, is when they chose to die.”

(Abiku - Yoruba word meaning 'Born to Die')

Oladayo: “The Abiku world is different. He or she will decide that on the happiest day is when they’ll choose to die. And immediately on that happy day, his spiritual mates are already there celebrating that their mate is about to come back home.”

Obara: “But Abiku can be avoided or stopped and the child live a long normal life, right?”

Oladayo: “Yeah, for example, there are some cases where a mother will get a divination, and the diviner will tell her ‘Your child is getting married, but don’t celebrate.’ So the child gets married, but doesn’t die because of the warning the mother adhered to, even though the child will keep proposing and proposing to have a wedding celebration.”

Obara: “So a person in the physical form will keep having dreams, because Egbe speaks through dreams.”

Oladayo: “Yes – but it depends. They will even come in real life, do you know? It depends on that persons spiritual level. You might even catch a person speaking to themselves, and you’ll ask them who were they talking to, and they’ll say ‘Was I talking? Nobody,’ and then they’ll act normal again. It’s different levels. But for example, the mates who were celebrating that child to come back, they will visit the child because the promise has been broken. She was supposed to celebrate. So now the child is an adult, and she, herself, wants to have children… but now she can not. That Egbe is now disturbing her life, because you know the promise was to leave on her wedding day, but there was no wedding celebration, so she has broken that promise.”

Obara: “Ok so now they’re going to try to disturb her in a way of trying to bring her back to their side.”

Oladayo: “Yeah, in fact there are even cases where some people will decide that it is the day that they come to this earth that they will die. So the doctor might tell the mother she can’t give birth to this child except by cesarean section, and they’ll do incision. So maybe a spiritual person now says, ‘this belly, no matter what–

Obara: “–Don’t let them cut her”

Oladayo: “Don’t let them do it. If the doctors say there is a problem, come. Come locally. So that is when things are altered. The mother brings the child to the spiritualist. The child wants to die through incision, so while they want to do the incision, those mates will be there and things will start to happen. The doctor will make a mistake. Something will just go wrong. Some will even say they want to kill the mother as they are going too.”

Obara: “Jesus…”

Oladayo: “Yeah. So when they take the child to any spiritual place that can handle it, then they will do what they are supposed to do, and the child will come. But the child might become the stubborn child or the angry child. He says ‘Okay! I didn’t want to come, and you made me come by force?‘ He’s now here and he has no reason to be here. That’s when the child starts to act out, and become problematic.”

Obara: “Wait, wait, wait! Listen to me. You’re telling me about my own life, especially with my youngest child. She took 3 days to come. I wouldn’t dilate, and the doctors kept sending me home. And it was the night before she was born, that Padrino came into my dream in full white and cleared me, and when he finished he said “Now go and have your baby.” And when I did, I was awake during the whole C-section. Can you believe someone being awake while they were cutting me? When she was born, the anesthesiologist said he will not charge me. He said I prayed the whole time that they cut me, I prayed for everyone. They couldn’t believe that they couldn’t put me to sleep.”

Oladayo: “There are some that just wants to give you a sign that they are very different children. Their journey is very very long because they are coming from a different world. So that is the Abiku. But the Emèrè have their difference, there are some that even know they are Emèrè.

Obara: “You’re breaking Emèrè down right, but tell me, for the word Emèrè -”

Oladayo: “They are just spiritual children. They can be negative, they can be positive, or they can have the two, but we are the ones looking at it from this perspective.”

Obara: “Because we have limitations.”

Oladayo: “Exactly. But they, they don’t care. It depends on what they choose to do. There are some that bring light, there are some that can not be cheated. There are even some that already know who they are, they can control the power they have. Some are even the ones causing the things that affect them in their life. Their own self, if their life is not stable or whatever, they are the ones causing it, but they don’t know. And some will know, that is just the way they’ve chosen to live their life.”

Obara: “There are so many people like this, but it can be fixed spiritually-”

Oladayo: “Yes, and usually with any spiritual work that you do, you have to dream, except it’s not original. I don’t know if I have said this before. And the dream you will have it depends on the work and the time. That dream will show you a very good sign that you used something. Or the first dream that you would have, if your problem has to do with people tying your enemy down and all those things, then you will see them come to release you. The release may not be that they’ve cut a rope or cut something. They will just talk, and you’ll see it that they let go. You’ll feel it. And how to know when it wants to come, you will just feel that the sleep descends heavily on you.

Oladayo: You will even see it that if you want to wake up, something is just forcing you to stay asleep. So if you use work, naturally don’t even wait for the dream or force it, just go to bed early, and go with the mind that you want to pay attention to everything. You will have a dream that will tell you that you can now move forward and you will feel it.”

Obara: “Alright, so let’s leave from the part of Egbe children. Let’s go to the part of Egbe that affects so many people, even myself.”

Oladayo: “Spiritual husband.”

Obara: “Yes, spiritual husbands or wives.”

Oladayo: “Um… I don’t know why they call it “spiritual husband.” Most of the spiritualists say Oko Orun, ‘Oko’ is husband and ‘Orun’ is heaven, but the heaven is astral. Then I don’t know where we get the sexuality, maybe it’s because of our thinking, that’s why some people with this Egbe will have dreams of having sex with this person. But it’s not actually “husband” so to say, but it is, you see we always interpret everything-”

Obara: “-Literally”

Oladayo: “Yeah-”

Obara: “But then what do you explain about me? I’ve told you about my experience with my spiritual husband and how much I used to see him, and how much love I felt for him in those dreams and when I woke up, how much I would miss him, but I haven’t dreamt him in years-”

Oladayo: “Don’t see him again. Don’t talk about him passionately. If you are enjoying him in whatever way, even reminiscing about him, your enemy might not be able to have somebody here on earth. You have to divorce that person.”

Obara: “But there’s something within my spirit that juks me when you say that.”

Oladayo: “You see? You can’t have your cake and eat it, too. It’s like saying you want to have two husbands, and one is more powerful than the other. You can’t. It is you. You have to be the one to make your decision.”

There is so much to talk about with this phenomena that so many people are affected by. Our part of the world does not understand it well, but one of the reasons why I am here is to break things down for our better understanding. I thank Oladayo for his knowledge. The conversation isn’t over, there is still much to learn about Egbe. What Oladayo has shared with me is even more fascinating because he goes deeper into the explanation. So many people are affected by things they don’t know of, and I am hoping that within these posts that they may get a better understanding of their lives, or the lives of others.

Stay tuned.

Obara Meji

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Ooooh thanks Obara for this blog …what an eye opener…I laugh so hard for the spiritual husband part cause I’m going through with mine ..oh my…what a ting ya? Well well this was a lot to take in..I would like to know more..

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Night night O and Oladayo Obara you said Egbe affects almost every person. Is it certain persons or groups it doesn’t affect? Does it not affect some because they remember their “contract”? Can it also be that we came to this realm to learn emotions and to learn how to deal with them? among other lessons we came to earth to learn. Okaaaay am I a child in my Egbe realm? Then project on this realm from child to adult? Oladayo said people can divorce their Oko Orun. Can you write a post explaining this? Teacher help me ma? I want to learn

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Some people made pacts that project some kind of insolence to what we deemed normal for this earth while others made something close to a favorable pact, that’s the reason they think it doesn’t affect them but the Life can’t be totally perfect, so they enjoy the good side and embrace the other side.

To your second question about coming to this world to learn emotions the answer is ‘ yes’ but we need to know when to say ‘No’ to emotions too.

My response to the notion of being a child, adult or old is only useful here in our world, it isn’t an issue at all out there.

You can divorce your spiritual husband by doing something spiritual to let him move on … so you can have your own good life, husband and children in this realm.

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Good day, to Obara and Oladayo.

Oladayo, if the male or female “divorce” the spiritual mate, what becomes of the relationship when they return to their origin ?

I think I followed my mate to this realm years after he came…is this possible?

Cami
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Obara, what a long wait me a wait pon Oladayo reply? Lolllllllllllllllloooooooool

Cami
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LoL. I notice you led and he replied…just keeping that momentum. BB to see the reply. Think it may cause me to ask more. This was a very interesting read.

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Hailings Obara great post! Thanks for sharing. Very informative and I like the in depth explainations from you and Oladayo. I often wonder why there are many unwed persons when we were made in pairs. I will come back with more questions later. Is there divorce or legal separation in Egbe?

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Greetings Obara and Oladayo, on rereading, I have more questions. You state that Abiku can be changed and the child live a “normal” life. But the mother must not be happy, must not celebrate, isn’t celebration a necessary part of life (like laughter and joy) or am I displaying again, my limitations in understanding? Isn’t not being able to celebrate or be happy a great sacrifice for the mother to endure for her child who does not really wish to be here?
Is her suffocation worthy even as she loves her child, is she not controlling something that should not be controlled? Removing the emotional aspect, is not there room for releasing and allowing things to transpire as they must?
I ask these questions from a distance, as I know, if it were my child, I would want to do all in my power to keep him here, no matter the consequences. Is this not how we bring suffering upon ourselves?
Thinking back, when I was in labour with my first child, they said he (though I did not know at the time boy or girl) was in breathing difficulty and I would need a c-section. I definitely did not want one, having wanted as little medical intervention as possible. (This had been a bone of contention with me and my ObGyn throughout my pregnancy.) I asked how long before they made the decision and I was told half-hour. I was determined to not let that happen and I made up my mind to do all that I could to have him vaginally. Approximately ten minutes and two pushes later my first son was born. He was born holding his head up, and has always been “old,” a deep, deep thinker, head strong, brilliant, sensitive and melancholy.
I know there are consequences, good, bad and indifferent, for every choice we make. Is it possible that we are merely prolonging the inevitable while brining greater suffering when we inhibit the natural flow and dishonour prior spiritual pacts?

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Good morning my loves! Mums egbe mek yuh put on yuh church hat and ball out fi Jeeezzaass lmao…on a serious note I love this in depth explanation on egbe. The previous egbe posts only scratch the surface but this goes deep. Don’t be afraid to go there and don’t watch the comments, quality not quantity, remember. Feel like I was sitting down watching the interview on an episode of “super soul sunday” lol. This honestly explains most if not all the instances in my life story. I could go on and on about my visions from the tender age of three but that will take forever. I will just say I’m glad to find something I can relate to, something that tugs on my spiritual heart strings. It’s a beautiful thing.

Now to my question, oladayo or mums (which ever one of you would like to answer)…how does your egbe relate to your soul group? Is it possible or common for people from the same soul group to have different egbe? Can a person link with their “spiritual husband” or partner on this earth plane? One question tun Inna 3 lol

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Thank you Obara and Olodayo for breaking down Egbe, very interesting. I’m the youngest of 5 kids, and I was born later than my due date, I believe by a couple of weeks. I was suppose to be a June baby but born July 1st. My mom said she had to have a c section because something with like the cord was cutting oxygen off to me. My siblings have a lot of years over me, so basically I was like an only child so therefore I had ALOT of imaginary friends, Edorian, Felicia, I can go on and on lol. Anyway, just curious so my Egbe did that? Also, does Egbe have influence regarding infertility issues for men and women? What about miscarriages etc? I have so much too learn, and I’m so excited! Can’t wait for partner 2. As I’m a single mom, and curious how my spiritual husband is impacting my life.

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Obara, is it really auch an horrid thing aa having a spiritual husband?

Many of these human males makes awful mates and seems to cause mire havoc in this realm than one from another who is genuinely your soul companion. Hence, me asking about the “divorce”.

Gone again…

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Charlene,
To on lookers your playmates were imaginary, to you they are very real and as time goes on you no longer pay attention as the environment starts to Influence you to make you blend into your new environment then you lose your innocence and become what I call ‘adult-rated’ forcing you to become who you are expected to be… you forget almost everything and some people forget totally.

Yes Charlene the Egbe influences a lot of things; marriage , miscarriage,fertility, health etc.

CharMD
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Thank you Oladayo. 🙂

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So as mi ease up fi get dung inna di post, braps! it jus done suh.
I admire the clarity and applicability of the IFA tradition. I’ve always had questions, an wen mi cya get ansa mi nuh pleased. Don’t tell mi seh God nuh waa mi fi know dat – mi usteh ah ask question inna church an cyaa get nuh ansa.
The death of some children, di crosses weh some bring yuh can tell seh sumtin nuh suh normal. We’ve all gotten caught up in civilization and have neglected spirituality an dats why suh much problem a reach wi enemy. Dis info a mek mi si tings so differently. Is long time mi ah ask bout dem tings here enuh an couldn’t find nuh ansa an watch ya now?!
My story was a bit different, my mother has always told me that I just didn’t want to come out….we were about to die and the nurse climbed on the bed and literally pushed me out. I had been in her womb so long that my skin had started stripping….she seh mi start get old in deh. Yow now mi a ketch mi fraid cause mi always a tell her dat it was fun over there an dats why I didnt want to come ( I told her this even wah day ya) . Obara Oooo! mi need a spiritualist!
People tend to think that I’m “trying” to be rebellious but I simply feel that I should be free to do anything that I want to. I usetuh tell mi modda seh dem force mi fi come suh dem fi deal wid anyting weh mi do.

Oladayo, do the Egbe children “grow” and eventual become Egbe wives/husbands?
Is there any other culture/tradition/religion that recognizes Egbe? If so, how are they described?
Can someone have several Egbe affecting dem life (like an evil one fight with the good one to block blessings?)

I am reminded of the missionaries sharing the gospel with tribes that were living without the knowledge of sin and judgement. How is one’s ignorance of this information taken into account in terms of the quality of life one leads?

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You very aware….love it

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I.B,
Your first question is not very clear to me, are you talking about Egbe children in astral world or the ones born into this world? If you talking about the ones in the astral world, there is nothing like growing… that is for our dimension here… though there’s hierarchy. They can’t grow to become Egbe wives and husband, they can only have their partners over there.

Here Egbe carriers born into this world are humans and may assume they are leading a normal life but they might have forgotten the pact they made just before Coming here.

Africans, especially Nigerianswhether Christian, Muslim, and of course traditionalist all acknowledges it that there is something call Egbe only that they might have different names for it .
Yorubas regardless of the religion they chose acknowledges that there’s Egbe. It’s something they don’t joke with. They might decide to take the child to church for deliverance or to a mosque for prayers and traditionalist do what they need to do to curb (or manage) it.

Some christians group them as principalities, evil spirit, marine spirits, rock spirits, etc depending on the elements.

Muslims have Arabic names for it which I can’t remember now but the don’t spend much time on it Islamic-wise because they’ll go traditional for such cases.

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Thanks for responding….I’ve gotten a clearer understanding.

Kay
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Hm. Good questions

sue
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Hi teach and oladayo :). I love this post and can’t wait to read the follow-up. Although sleep a knock me down I couldn’t stop reading. Keep up the good work, truly appreciate the enlightenment.

I’m now thinking that my spiritual husband has come here and won’t divorce me. I remember having a dream of him and in it he said “don’t come looking for me, I will always find you.” Funny enough someone in my dream I can’t see him but hear his voice. People always talked how I’m crazy because I talk to myself but I tell them, I’m not mad or crazy, I’m just reasoning.

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Dear Obara and Oladayo,
This piece is full of so much information, I will have to read it over a few times, but immediately it resonates deeply with me. There are so many things that ring true for me personally that my head is spinning. Having been told “…they cannot harm you.” by my father long ago, without any explanation, I feel that Egbe is the reason for so much disturbance in my life. Can this be so, even if one “cannot be harmed.” And what then does it mean, spiritually, to be harmed, when I myself consider, disruption, etc. to be harm. Or is that simply because as a neophyte, i am limited in my understanding?
Thank you. I look forward to the next instalment.
Blessings to you both.

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As a child I had an imaginary friend, Nabeel, whom would ride the cat’s ear and I would regale my sister with his stories for hours each night at bedtime!

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Wow wow wow!
I’ve read the other egbe post before
And it took some of the scales of my eyes but this one has fully remove them.

The more I think about my people and how lost we are it pains my heart, a lot of us get the signs but because of the christain deception we continue to exist painfull and in fear.
And I realized that a lot of these so called Christians are such hypocrite they want to come on the blog and read suff for what.
Why buy a hermes bag if you ain’t gonna use it. Don’t window shop here because you’re tired of the display at you wicked church. Bun mi fi enoo yuh si.

Anyways this post is full of wisdom and clarity. I love the conversation presentation
I think we all should initiate egbe so we can get over the humps in our lives.
Thanks teacher Meji and Oladayo
Peace and love

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very interesting

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Obara- how old is Oladayo ???
One thing I am going to say is that we need back our history for example the stuff you tell us need to be formalized and taught 1000% in the west. That’s how they catch us with christianity it’s formality.
We need people like yourself and Oladayo others elders to start putting in place formal teachings, book, audio, etc so the diaspora can grow in knowledge. We are damn clueless! I am not afraid to say it, black people in the west are the ones most into christianity and we are suffering the most. That no mek no sense, NONE. We need our ancestor teachings NOW!
Bless up the little you share to try and enlighten us.
Blessed Love

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This is such an interesting topic, chock full of wisdom (that banana bit?) though it doesn’t seem like very much people are interested or maybe they don’t understand it? New info maybe? It’s rare to see an ES post with crickets.

Anyhoo,

It’s intriguing to see what is behind many problems in people’s lives… the loneliness, no friends, no partner, no children, problematic children, barren women, etc. Honestly I don’t know a person not plagued by this, which reminds me: in cases like the above, is it always Egbe? Or could it just be natural?

I had Obara’s reaction when Oladayo said they can even decide to kill the mother on the birthing table. I know it’s all spiritual, but it’s hard not to think of how they plague our lives as wicked. The greatest thing though is that there’s a ‘cure’ for it… but when we cross over, do we go back ‘home’ to that Egbe realm?

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Thank you for yours and Oladyo’s wisdom, i hope you feel better soon. Lemon and honey is my favorite thing to have during flu times

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Hello Obara, I hope your doing well. I must say I was really fascinated by the post on Egbe. I was reading the conversation between you and Oledaya and it lead me to read up on some of your past post on the same topic. Right before I came to Canada I made a promise to my then boyfriend that I was in love with, that as soon as things worked out for me I would help him to come to Canada . When I got here I was so depressed and heartbroken because I had to leave the man I really loved . I believed we were soul mates. After coping with such a loss and trying to build a life, I met this man and he was just the devil himself. I went through hell. I abused mentally and physically. I became close with a friend of mine while I was as going through this faze in my life and we fell in love and we had a son via c-section. That relationship ended a few years later and I was left being a single mom. A few years later I met my now current boyfriend whom I dreamt that I would be with when I was a child. He became my best friend, he was my everything. He was there for me through the toughest time in my life when my sister was murdered. He was my rock and I cannot imagine my life without him. I have a gift of seeing things and situations before they happen. On occasions I would dream of the boyfriend that I left behind and the current one in the same dream. It’s like one minute it’s the old one and then I’ll look at him and then he just transforms to the current one. I do believe in Egbe’s and I was wondering if the things that my current boyfriend and I are going through was because of Egbe. I don’t mean to tell you my life story I just need someone to talk to and who understands what I’m going through. My boyfriend and I have been together for almost 8 years and we’ve been trying to have a next child for over 3 years and nothing seems to be happening. We came close once but I had a miscarriage and I don’t think I’ve gotten pregnant since. I’ve just been through a lot and I’m just in need of some guidance. Any advice given will be greatly appreciated. Thank you for listening, Nordette.

Oladayo
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Dear Nordette,
I believe you are talking about two situations here; a dream and a waking life situation.

You will need to help us for us to help you. If you can read this and understand it … you will be a different person after reading this.

Seeing your ex and your present lover together might have different meanings which relies on the situation, yours is about your ex becoming the new boyfriend and the same thing continues. This dream doesn’t have all the details but I can give you a little insight. It seems there’s a part of your ex you still appreciate and it’s lacking in this new relationship. People are not all entirely bad , I don’t know why he left or your reason for leaving him … there might be something you really miss about him. You might wish your new man has this and your relationship might be near perfect.
Another instance could be that there’s almost the same pattern or cycle in the two relationships…it’s your life you should be able to know now where you are?

You want to know if the childbirth problem of your enemy has something to do with egbe?
First I would say you should do consultation, secondly, have you had any revelation about a spiritual husband?
Do you think you have a spiritual husband?
Have you seen yourself among some group of people you don’t really know yet they seem to be fond of you?

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